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Old 12-05-2006, 07:32 PM
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Wouldn't you like a widebody 997 C2S like the old 993C2S? It would be my first choice- the beauty of the big wide backside, the lighter steering and feel of the RWD, less weight, etc. I love the looks of the C4 but have no need for the AWD. Porsche has so many 911 models, why not one more. They are already doing it with the GT3 RS but they are impossible to get now. Wishful thinking...
Old 12-05-2006, 07:49 PM
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There will be another opportunity (most likely) for RWD wide body with the GT2. Those will probably be as easy to find as a GT3RS!
Old 12-05-2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Carcam
Wouldn't you like a widebody 997 C2S like the old 993C2S?
Not me...form should follow function IMO, and the C2S doesn't need a wider rear track.

Also, I think the narrow-bodied 997 (and 993) proportions are perfect. But I also think J-Lo has an ugly fat ***, so what do I know.
Old 12-05-2006, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Not me...form should follow function IMO, and the C2S doesn't need a wider rear track.

Also, I think the narrow-bodied 997 (and 993) proportions are perfect. But I also think J-Lo has an ugly fat ***, so what do I know.
On that basis the C4/S should be narrower than the C2/S
Old 12-05-2006, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Chef
On that basis the C4/S should be narrower than the C2/S
Indeed, it makes no sense to have a wider rear track in conjunction with AWD (unless it's for the same effect as training wheels )

It also makes no sense that the Targa only comes in AWD form, that the Cayman S costs more than the Boxster S yet is cheaper to build, and that GT3 RS buyers have to pay a $4,315 premium for white paint and no stripes. Of cousre I could go on...
Old 12-05-2006, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
... Of cousre I could go on...
Go ahead, I don't think anyone is listening!
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Not me...form should follow function IMO, and the C2S doesn't need a wider rear track.

Also, I think the narrow-bodied 997 (and 993) proportions are perfect. But I also think J-Lo has an ugly fat ***, so what do I know.

Ditto for me. Keep in mind that when they went to the wide butts on the 4s that they sacrifice their coefficient of drag (.29 to .30) for that) and every 1/100th is hard to come by. I traded .28 for .29 by going to the wider wheeled 997S over the 997,--for the power. I think that compromise is worth it. But to sacrifice another .01 cd for looks doesn't really fit the Porsche mentaility.

And yes, J-Lo has a big butt.
Old 12-05-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
But I also think J-Lo has an ugly fat ***, so what do I know.
Nooooooooo!!!!

How could you say that?

Old 12-05-2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgy01
Ditto for me. Keep in mind that when they went to the wide butts on the 4s that they sacrifice their coefficient of drag (.29 to .30) for that) and every 1/100th is hard to come by. I traded .28 for .29 by going to the wider wheeled 997S over the 997,--for the power. I think that compromise is worth it. But to sacrifice another .01 cd for looks doesn't really fit the Porsche mentaility.

And yes, J-Lo has a big butt.
The coefficient of drag is a reasonable note of concern, but there is a handling advantage gained by a larger track on the rear of wide-bodied cars. Many exotic car companies have used wide rear end tracks to their advantage for years. You also see this in many forms of open wheeled racing. F1 has experimented with wider bodied chassis, much wider tires in the rear, etc. There is an advantage to the handling in a C4 over the C2. Porsche has chosen the C4 body for the GT3 RS, 911 GT3 Cup, and the 911 GT3 RSR for a reason. "handling"...
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KANSAS997, the 997C2 and C2S do not need wider rear tracks to improve handling; they don't have a problem getting power to the ground, nor do they have a tendency to oversteer.
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standard *** is just fine
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I like big booty.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
KANSAS997, the 997C2 and C2S do not need wider rear tracks to improve handling; they don't have a problem getting power to the ground, nor do they have a tendency to oversteer.
Alan- I never said they did, nor were my thoughts meant to be an attack on the C2 car. I backed into the fact that people in this thread were stating that there was no advantage to the C4 and that it was at a disadvantage because of drag. I simply stated that any disadvantage in drag was made up by the wider track of the C4. I do think a wider rear gives you better stability as well. As I said before, Porsche uses the wide body cars in competition for a reason. I'm not trying to start an argument, just state my thoughts...
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Originally Posted by KANSAS997
Alan- I never said they did, nor were my thoughts meant to be an attack on the C2 car. I backed into the fact that people in this thread were stating that there was no advantage to the C4 and that it was at a disadvantage because of drag. I simply stated that any disadvantage in drag was made up by the wider track of the C4. I do think a wider rear gives you better stability as well. As I said before, Porsche uses the wide body cars in competition for a reason. I'm not trying to start an argument, just state my thoughts...
I would think part of the reason Porsche uses the big booty in competition is to shove as much tire width on the car as possible. Grip is it.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
I would think part of the reason Porsche uses the big booty in competition is to shove as much tire width on the car as possible. Grip is it.
Great Point, actually part of the point I was trying to make. when I wrote wider track, I meant... More rubber across the rear of the car...


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