Hurley Haywood on the tip
10-21-2006, 07:01 PM
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If the tip is so great, why are Porsche working on a replacement AND why didn't they offer it on the Carrera GT - could save some poor blokes USD 20,000 a pop for a replacement clutch - check the CGT room - New clutch thread.
Lastly, I reckon Porshe got a great deal on their tips from the suppliers and are going to milk it as much as they can and they introduce the PDK - so all those who love tips will want the next best thing!
You can trust Porsche that much - they went against all their marketing last year on the 987 cs Cayman engines by putting the same engines in both cars! That upset a lot of folks who would have loved the extra horses in their Boxsters.
Mark my words the PDK is only around the corner.
Lastly, I reckon Porshe got a great deal on their tips from the suppliers and are going to milk it as much as they can and they introduce the PDK - so all those who love tips will want the next best thing!
You can trust Porsche that much - they went against all their marketing last year on the 987 cs Cayman engines by putting the same engines in both cars! That upset a lot of folks who would have loved the extra horses in their Boxsters.
Mark my words the PDK is only around the corner.
10-21-2006, 07:02 PM
#32
I don't understand why anyone would care what anyone else thinks about their purchase decisions.
The Haywood quote makes perfect sense to me.
I bet 95-99% of the population can't drive well enough for the standard to make a difference. For these people, the automatic is easier, and thus they may well be faster with the automatic.
What are your goals for driving? Do you get 100% out of your car now? I bet 95% or more of us don't even get 80% out of it. If my assumption is true, then it doesn't matter from a performance aspect whether you get a stick or an auto.
If it doesn't matter, then you should get what you want . . . what makes you happy. Everyone else's opinion is irrelevant . . .
The Haywood quote makes perfect sense to me.
I bet 95-99% of the population can't drive well enough for the standard to make a difference. For these people, the automatic is easier, and thus they may well be faster with the automatic.
What are your goals for driving? Do you get 100% out of your car now? I bet 95% or more of us don't even get 80% out of it. If my assumption is true, then it doesn't matter from a performance aspect whether you get a stick or an auto.
If it doesn't matter, then you should get what you want . . . what makes you happy. Everyone else's opinion is irrelevant . . .
10-21-2006, 07:31 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by dmoney
why do you think porsche charges more for the tip........................?????? they know its a more advanced piece of technology. which it is. all these die hard stick guys need to chill out about it. respect to all.
I'd also like to ad that I bet most all of you IF you did a track day would be faster with the Tiptronic weather you believe it or not. Yes the 6 speed is fun and you can go play boy racers and all. However for me I am stuck with having to drive some sort of auto or clutchless tranny.
10-21-2006, 10:11 PM
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A novice would be faster with tip since they would not know how to match revs. An experienced driver would be much faster in the 6 speed. F1 tranny is a different story but Porsche does not make those.
10-22-2006, 12:38 PM
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i drove a porsche tip. blech! it's just a slushbox. feels like a slushbox. does not do what i want when i want. my 6 speed does what i tell it to do. and don't tell me you can make the tip do what you want. "if i stomp on the accelerator just so, it will downshift." that proves my point: i downshift and upshift exactly as i deem appropriate, not when the car thinks i should.
10-22-2006, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by boolala
...99.99 percent of the driving public is better served with an automatic transmission--it's just easier....
10-22-2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dstrimbu
I think 0.8 sec is off by about an order of magnitude... that's 800ms.
The BMW SMG shifts in 80ms in Sport Mode / Level 6. I drove my buddy Steve's M3 yesterday, out Novato Blvd in San Rafael, CA from 101 to the Cheese Factory and back. I was _very_ impressed. We scared the living sh_t out of some cows, too...
When Porsche has a DSG, we'll see. I love the fact that the SMG will roll backward on a hill... it's a servo-controlled manual trans without a clutch pedal. Strange concept at first, becomes incredibly intuitive in minutes. And if you must, the auto mode is... well, full freaking Automatic. Best of both worlds.
-d
The BMW SMG shifts in 80ms in Sport Mode / Level 6. I drove my buddy Steve's M3 yesterday, out Novato Blvd in San Rafael, CA from 101 to the Cheese Factory and back. I was _very_ impressed. We scared the living sh_t out of some cows, too...
When Porsche has a DSG, we'll see. I love the fact that the SMG will roll backward on a hill... it's a servo-controlled manual trans without a clutch pedal. Strange concept at first, becomes incredibly intuitive in minutes. And if you must, the auto mode is... well, full freaking Automatic. Best of both worlds.
-d
10-22-2006, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rmag
HH is 100% accurate. 99.99% percent of the driving public (non-porsche owners) should drive automatic. The .01% left are Porsche owners
10-23-2006, 03:36 PM
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I haven't read the latest Christophorous, but if Haywood said that regarding the non-turbo 997, I've lost all respect for him. The automatic is simply NOT faster, especially around a racetrack, and you don't have to be a pro to realize it. The automatic is heavier, less efficient, and has taller gearing. Those are facts, not biased opinions or outright marketing BS.
If you aren't capable of driving a manual, or just choose not to, that's fine...it's your $73-140k to spend as you please. But to argue that a non-Turbo 997 automatic is somehow faster and/or more advanced than the manual only demonstrates ignorance. And, yes, I own a 997 with Tiptronic and I drive it on the track, so I do know what I'm talking about.
If you aren't capable of driving a manual, or just choose not to, that's fine...it's your $73-140k to spend as you please. But to argue that a non-Turbo 997 automatic is somehow faster and/or more advanced than the manual only demonstrates ignorance. And, yes, I own a 997 with Tiptronic and I drive it on the track, so I do know what I'm talking about.
10-23-2006, 05:17 PM
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Well the Tip does shifts faster than many stick drivers, even porsche ones. And the ability to use left foot braking allows you to get on the throttle a bit earlier as well coming out of a corner. The taller gearing depending on the track saves time from not shifting as much, even with the slight acceleration loss from the heavier tip.
The rocker switch I must admit is a mixed bag. convenient but so easy to mi****.
The rocker switch I must admit is a mixed bag. convenient but so easy to mi****.
10-23-2006, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by icon
you gotta remember boo!
hurley is on porsches payroll
hurley is on porsches payroll
10-23-2006, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Eggplant Cab
...the ability to use left foot braking allows you to get on the throttle a bit earlier as well coming out of a corner. The taller gearing depending on the track saves time from not shifting as much, even with the slight acceleration loss from the heavier tip...
10-23-2006, 06:48 PM
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It would be interesting to take 2 identical 997's to the track,one tip,one manual,and do a comparison with drivers with varying racetrack ability and compare laptimes.