Hurley Haywood on the tip
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I can't believe were on this topic again. As I've stated on this forum before and I'll say it again, yes I do have the tip. Love the way it drives. No it will not give you the same visceral experience as the manual, but hey, it's still a 911, my first Porsche, and I'm not looking back. Do I wish there was a sixth gear to the tip, heck yes. That would be nice. But I have a lot of fun with the five that I have. Now if I were a bachelor and living by myself would I have gotten the manual, you betcha. But seeing my wife having fun driving it is worth the price of admission.
Take Care
Jay
Take Care
Jay
#17
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Originally Posted by Porky
Oh also, a friend who works for Porsche did once tell me that the tip was mostly designed for the USA market where automatics are very popular. In Europe, I never sat in an automatic car until I was 18 (35 now) and never drove one until I was about 22. I was so excited when I got my first automatic at 28 - huge novelty factor!
I would be interested to see what the percentage of automatics against manuals are sold in the US and EU and then finally in Asia. I know that Japan is 85% automatic for Porsche and even higher for other brands!!!
I would be interested to see what the percentage of automatics against manuals are sold in the US and EU and then finally in Asia. I know that Japan is 85% automatic for Porsche and even higher for other brands!!!
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Funny because while doing "Heel Toe" drills in the car with HH we were talking about how much better sticks are over automatic.
Yea, HH gets some money from the Porsche folks...
No Dual Clutch set up? - Go with a Auto - or our Porsche folks would like us to believe.
Yea, HH gets some money from the Porsche folks...
No Dual Clutch set up? - Go with a Auto - or our Porsche folks would like us to believe.
#19
Three Wheelin'
Hmmm...
99.9% of the pop don't drive Porsche's.
99.9% of pop don't go to the track.
I've been loaned a 987 and 996 with Tip from my dealer and it's as bad as having sex with a carboard condom. (And let's not talk about sheepskin here!) If that's your idea of a thrill then I'm happy for you but would like to point out there's a little more thrill to be had.
I can't imagine how much of the challenge of track driving you lose with a Tip but it must be like the difference between driving the 'Ring on Playstation vs the real thing.
If (trying to be fair) you live in Sao Paulo or Tokyo and drive to work (madness!) or are physically incapable (war vets) then I agree a Porsche + Tip is better than no Porsche at all.
If you are capable of driving stick and don't live and commute in megametropolis then why would you ever bother with Tip???
99.9% of pop don't go to the track.
I've been loaned a 987 and 996 with Tip from my dealer and it's as bad as having sex with a carboard condom. (And let's not talk about sheepskin here!) If that's your idea of a thrill then I'm happy for you but would like to point out there's a little more thrill to be had.
I can't imagine how much of the challenge of track driving you lose with a Tip but it must be like the difference between driving the 'Ring on Playstation vs the real thing.
If (trying to be fair) you live in Sao Paulo or Tokyo and drive to work (madness!) or are physically incapable (war vets) then I agree a Porsche + Tip is better than no Porsche at all.
If you are capable of driving stick and don't live and commute in megametropolis then why would you ever bother with Tip???
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Now I'm not the biggest fan of R&T, however, I give them kudos for writing the following 1-pager on the 997TT Tip vs 6-Speed. Naturally, a manufacturer that comes out with a 'faster' automatic than 6-speed was the inspiration for the article.
There are three main points to the article (the way I see it anyhow):
Now,...let's see that PDK transmission....I'm curious !!
Oh yeah, here's the thumb:
There are three main points to the article (the way I see it anyhow):
- Explains why tip is faster off the line
- Shows the accel times for both are NOT that different in their tests
- States they 'prefer' the 6-Speed
Now,...let's see that PDK transmission....I'm curious !!
Oh yeah, here's the thumb:
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Originally Posted by Le Chef
...and it's as bad as having sex with a carboard condom.
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I didn't order mine with the 6-speed because it was easier. I ordered it because I'm much smoother with the manual. I can control the engine speed directly myself, rather than having a series of computers trying to guess what I want to do just then.
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i might have some perspective here...i have an 997 6 speed and just purchased a audi a3 3.2 with dsg for work. the audi is a gas to drive... paddle shifts, quick and effortless but leave it it auto for around town. this transmsission is fantastic! per audi shifts in 0.8 seconds...i believe it. that being said i will always a stick for my sports car...but this new dsg tranny is great!!
#24
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If a tip is your thing, no problem, but I just find the manual to be more fun to drive. Even if I could get around faster with a tip I would still prefer to drive a stick.
#26
Originally Posted by LVDell
FYI....Germany buys more TIPs than the US. Check the official PAG statistics. I was shocked as well but that's the way it is.
#27
Until they develop some bluetooth implant connected to my brain, an automatic will NEVER be able to think/anticipate what I want it to do. If I have to tell it what to do, then why is it automatic? I'll "stick" with a manual. With that said, there are plenty of reasons that people will choose an automatic such as spouses, traffic conditions, medical reasons, etc., and that is fine with me.
My opinion is the HH comments are to cover Porsche's lack of PDK offering. Did Porsche really develop the Tiptronic? The one I saw pulled out of a 996 TT had MB logos cast in the case.
My opinion is the HH comments are to cover Porsche's lack of PDK offering. Did Porsche really develop the Tiptronic? The one I saw pulled out of a 996 TT had MB logos cast in the case.
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If all I did was commute in my car a tip may be fine. There is nothing the tip brings to the track that is of value.0 to 60 in turbo... who cares? Lap times are what count and the slushbox is not the place for that technology.
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I think 0.8 sec is off by about an order of magnitude... that's 800ms.
The BMW SMG shifts in 80ms in Sport Mode / Level 6. I drove my buddy Steve's M3 yesterday, out Novato Blvd in San Rafael, CA from 101 to the Cheese Factory and back. I was _very_ impressed. We scared the living sh_t out of some cows, too...
When Porsche has a DSG, we'll see. I love the fact that the SMG will roll backward on a hill... it's a servo-controlled manual trans without a clutch pedal. Strange concept at first, becomes incredibly intuitive in minutes. And if you must, the auto mode is... well, full freaking Automatic. Best of both worlds.
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The BMW SMG shifts in 80ms in Sport Mode / Level 6. I drove my buddy Steve's M3 yesterday, out Novato Blvd in San Rafael, CA from 101 to the Cheese Factory and back. I was _very_ impressed. We scared the living sh_t out of some cows, too...
When Porsche has a DSG, we'll see. I love the fact that the SMG will roll backward on a hill... it's a servo-controlled manual trans without a clutch pedal. Strange concept at first, becomes incredibly intuitive in minutes. And if you must, the auto mode is... well, full freaking Automatic. Best of both worlds.
-d