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#46
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Originally Posted by Deanski
The DAWN will not remove any sealants. Meguiars APC+ will, but they changed the stuff to be VOC compliant. You can do the 50/50 water/alcohol wipedown and that will work.
P21S PWC (Paint Work Cleanser) is very effective and nice and mild for cleaning the finish. Use it all the time as well as other "cleansers". The P21S does a fine job and I would not change from using it as it's very mild. If the finish still will not get corrected by P21S, then it's time to move up to a bit more polish. Once I'm done polishing, I will wash with DAWN or APC mix to make sure any oils are off.
P21S PWC (Paint Work Cleanser) is very effective and nice and mild for cleaning the finish. Use it all the time as well as other "cleansers". The P21S does a fine job and I would not change from using it as it's very mild. If the finish still will not get corrected by P21S, then it's time to move up to a bit more polish. Once I'm done polishing, I will wash with DAWN or APC mix to make sure any oils are off.
1. Wash with Dawn to remove the wax.
2. Wash with P21s PWC or APC or 50/50 water/alcohol (any of those 3) to remove the sealant
To apply to apply wax and sealant you would then:
3. Polish
4. Repeat step 1
5. Zanio or Wax now
Currently I'm just doing:
1. Dawn to remove
2. Klasse AIO (which I understood to remove the sealant)
3. Klasse SG
4. Wax
#47
Ron, Much depends on how "good" your paint is. My bet is yours does not need polishing, so dawn to Klasse AIO would be just fine (some would clay...dawn..clay...re-wash then AIO), but again if your paint is in good shape no need to clay.
#48
AIO
So, do I have this right, to remove sealants, EXP, AJ, SG etc, Dawn and AIO alone will do the job?
I hope so. I don't mind AIO, but it makes me nervous to use 50/50 on my paint.
Now, will P21S paint cleanser remove sealants?
I just to be sure before spending two days with Zaino.
I hope so. I don't mind AIO, but it makes me nervous to use 50/50 on my paint.
Now, will P21S paint cleanser remove sealants?
I just to be sure before spending two days with Zaino.
#49
OK..I'll try one more time...it depends on the condition of your paint! For mine all I did was dawn, clay bar (which I did not need), Z-7 wash...then Z-5PRO, z-8, Z-2PRO, Z-8, Z-2PRO, Z-8...I just did Z-2Pro followed by Z-8 today (after 4 weeks). So you don't need AIO or paint cleaners if your paint is in good condition.
#50
Sorry, let me try again...
Hi,
I follow you....I know what I need to do to get the paint in order. I actually don't need anymore paint prep. My only question is how to get the old sealant off.
For example, is dawn enough? If not, then go to what? 50/50? or AIO?
I only want the old stuff off. My paint is perfect now. I want to go to Zaino.
Thanks.
I follow you....I know what I need to do to get the paint in order. I actually don't need anymore paint prep. My only question is how to get the old sealant off.
For example, is dawn enough? If not, then go to what? 50/50? or AIO?
I only want the old stuff off. My paint is perfect now. I want to go to Zaino.
Thanks.
#51
Dawn should do the trick to remove the old sealant. Actually prep is the most important part so don't skimp there (that's why I clayed even though I didn't need it). The paint should feel smooth. Then Zaino away...good luck! (BTW I am happy to help, don't take my comments the wrong way!) oh and Zaino works fine on top of AIO sealant.
#52
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by wross996tt
Ron, Much depends on how "good" your paint is. My bet is yours does not need polishing, so dawn to Klasse AIO would be just fine (some would clay...dawn..clay...re-wash then AIO), but again if your paint is in good shape no need to clay.
I know when to polish and use clay, but what I was trying to find out if Deanski was recommending a step after Dawn to remove the existing paint sealant when something like AIO should take care of that already (without an extra step), right?
Make sense now?
#53
Banned
Originally Posted by Bluehinder
My only question is how to get the old sealant off. ... For example, is dawn enough?
There are specific products made for removing waxes and sealants, namely P21S Paintwork Cleanser, Pinnacle Paintwork Cleaner (what I use), as well as others out there. They just happen to cost a little more than a bottle of Dawn. But Dawn will cost you in the long run by destroying your seals and molding with repeated use. That may not be a concern of yours if you don't plan on keeping your car longer than five years.
If you're one of the unfortunate ones who have been misguided into using this degreaser, I highly recommend immediately using a product such as 303 Aerospace Protectant to nourish and restore the condition of your rubber molding.
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No DAWN does NOT remove sealants. It WILL remove wax/oils. As for rubber seals, go with 1Z Gummi Pflege, Tiefenpfleger, or good old 303 protectant.
I would prefer the paint cleansers to a degree depending on how much sealant is on. The cleanser will remove any sealant.
Anything alkaline can harm rubber, but if you maintain the seals, there should be no problem as most protectants will put a barrier to protect the seal from high alkaline products.
Deanski
I would prefer the paint cleansers to a degree depending on how much sealant is on. The cleanser will remove any sealant.
Anything alkaline can harm rubber, but if you maintain the seals, there should be no problem as most protectants will put a barrier to protect the seal from high alkaline products.
Deanski
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Artic Silver Zaino Pictures
Originally Posted by allegretto
A follow up Dr Shine.
My car is Arctic Silver. Should I go over it with P21S? Or just go to Z-2 then Z-8, then Z-2 then Z-8 etc...
My car is Arctic Silver. Should I go over it with P21S? Or just go to Z-2 then Z-8, then Z-2 then Z-8 etc...
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Originally Posted by JHD
If I have done this correctly, attached are pictures of my 911 after three coats of Z-2 Pro with Z-6 between and topped with Z-8.
Get a few shots of the finish up close! I'd love to see how well the silver POPS in Artic Silver!
How do YOU like the Z2-Pro? What did you use prior?
Thanks for the pics!
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Originally Posted by Deanski
NICE! I really like the new Z8 spray QD!
Get a few shots of the finish up close! I'd love to see how well the silver POPS in Artic Silver!
How do YOU like the Z2-Pro? What did you use prior?
Thanks for the pics!
Regards,
Deanski
Get a few shots of the finish up close! I'd love to see how well the silver POPS in Artic Silver!
How do YOU like the Z2-Pro? What did you use prior?
Thanks for the pics!
Regards,
Deanski
I had used AIO and P21S previously on the Porsche and they did an excellent job. But after reading about Zaino in this forum, I decided to give it a try. I am really pleased and plan to stay with the Zaino.
I originally wanted a darker color, but after my previous experience in keeping a black Lexus clean, I decided to go with the silver. I am really glad I did.
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#59
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I've tried Zaino and to date I found it very difficult to use. That's just me. Quite frankly it's a lot of "detail arobics". I found that by using Menzerna and Black Fire Products I could achieve a great result with a lot less effort. Is it better than what Zaino can do, maybe not. But to the novice eye it will be hard to tell.
Jay
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Originally Posted by DJ23
I've tried Zaino and to date I found it very difficult to use. That's just me. Quite frankly it's a lot of "detail arobics". I found that by using Menzerna and Black Fire Products I could achieve a great result with a lot less effort. Is it better than what Zaino can do, maybe not. But to the novice eye it will be hard to tell.
Jay
Jay
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