I am a ***** so I don't have a problem with it

Actually, my initial comment was in response to drbf. I think Icon got confused somehow. I am not immune to that myself.

 

i don't find this statement very confusing: "you should get the TT without question"

i never drove my previous gt3 on a track so i aint no track *****!!!
if you know drbf personally along with his preferences then maybe i could understand your statement?


never used the stuff myself.
i don't like the suede look to it, but the people familiar with it seem to like the way it feels and lasts.
red county ben probably would be a better person to ask on this space age material!
what about it ben???

 

ahh jeeezzzzz. You act like I was trying to give advice to cabcar. I was not. I was responding to a specific post by "drbf" I said you were confused about that.

I am stunned that you never took your previous GT3 to the track. That is the saddest thing I have heard all week.

I am not even sure I would admit that if I were you (notice the smiley in the event you are taking all of this way too seriously, which I am beginning to suspect).

Since by your own admission you NEVER go to the track, then I think you bought the wrong car assuming that you can afford both. The TT is a better car for 100% street usage. You can be stubborn, but that just doesn't change the facts (note smiley again).

And don't go all "pc" on me about stating my opinion to dbrf. That is what's wrong with the world today. I didn't insult him. I wasn't rude. I gave him honest advice that just happens to be correct

 

not taking the thread too seriously!
currently i have a 997s cab not a gt3! wrong car?
i would agree that for most people the tt would be a better car for 100% street usage!
(more comfort controls, psam, easier to drive fast)
i don't know cabcar or dbrf so i dont assume to know their driving habits, preferences,
amount of time they plan to spend on the track if any, so i don't know which they would prefer?

and when i get my next gt3 i will be spending time on the track!

 

If you believe this, then it sounds like we should be in complete agreement about everything. dbrf says he can't decide between a TT and a GT3. Given what you just said, if he is considering both, then it is a no brainer to get the TT. Nothing controversial about that . . .

 

we're not in complete agreement!
i don't even agree with your usage of the term "track *****"
i stated i did not know dbrf's driving habits or preferences so how could i know which car was better for him?
and unless you know dbrf's driving habits and preferences you wouldnt either!

you also made the statement:

"If he is considering both, he should just go ahead and get the TT,
because it indicates that he is not really in the track ***** category,
not that there is anything wrong with that."

i'm sorry but this doesnt even make sense?
he should buy a certain car so it will indicate he is not a "track *****"!?!?
and what could possibly be wrong with spending time on the track?

 

plain vanilla?
nah man, it's fruit on the bottom, you just need to delve a bit deeper

 

jesus icon. you are making this tough.

Here is the reasoning, pay attention because it is based on logic.

The core target market for the GT3 (hard core track guys who drive ther cars more on the track than the street -- track ****** -- but want their car to be street legal) would probably not be happy with a TT.

The core target market for a TT (guys who may drive their cars occassionally --or never -- on the track but spend far more time driving their cars on the street) would probably not be as happy with a GT3 as a TT.

Track ****** by definition are already immersed in the sport and therefore presumably know the advantages that a GT3 offer over a TT. As such, a track ***** would never consider a TT to be in competition with a GT3: a TT is aiming at a completely different market segment.

Guys who are trying to choose between a TT and a GT3 either fall into one of two categories. Specifically, they are either not very immersed in the sport -- they are definitely NOT track ****** -- or they are looking for a car that will be used primarily on the street. In either event, this group of guys most likely will use their cars far more on the streets than on the track. THIS is where the TT shines. Over time, a driver who spends far more time on the streets than on the track most likely will prefer the TT, assuming you can afford the TT. Nearly everybody I have ever heard of who bought a GT3 and NEVER took it to the track got out of the car relatively quickly, because there are better Porsches for pure street use than the GT3, including the TT.

Now, Icon, stick with me here because I know it is confusing. Since dbrf said he is trying to choose between a TT and a GT3, I can deduct that he either (1) is not a track ***** or (2) is a track ***** who is looking for a car for use primarily on the street. Under these circumstances, I can confidently say that he should get a TT, because he will probably be happier in the end.

You see, it is completely logical, not insulting and intended to be helpful. I hope you are following me at this point.

I personally am a track *****, so I certainly would not think there is anything wrong with that or spending time on the track.

I also would never dream of buying a car to send a signal to anyone else. You see . . . that is what poseurs do. I don't give a rat's *** about what anyone else thinks about what I drive. I buy my cars for myself and myself only. Oh sure, it is selfish, but it is just the way it is. If you don't like what I am driving, you can go %$^& yourself. I sometimes forget the amount of poseurs there are in the world, and how many people who would care about such ridiculous things as whether their car looks too much like a boxster (I mean, god forbid you want a mid-engined car rather than a rear-engined car). So forgive me if I forgot to take into account the hopefully small amount of people in the world who would buy a GT3 simply to try to "appear" to the rest of the world to be a track *****. I don't like those guys too much anyway so ignoring them is fine by me

 

My deposit is in place.

For me the GT3 represents more of a pure drivng experience.

To me, the TT represents a fat cat, big-cheese demographic that for the most part have NO clue as to what driving is all about.

Icon needs to attend PDE...it's in his backyard.

 

I know some great drivers who have TTs, but most use them as their street cars.

 

those would not be called deductions!
they would be called assumptions!
you assume things and then draw conclusions!
that is not logical!
you also don't know the first thing about me.
so again you assume.
if you were an intelligent person i would take this post as an insult.

 

I give up. I am not interested in arguing with people on the internet, particularly those who try to be clever an insult others when they are just insulting themselves. Think what you want. I laid out my reasoning for recommending a TT over a GT3, and you have yet to identify any flaws in that reasoning. But this thread is teh ghey at this point.

deduction

Main Entry: de·duc·tion
Pronunciation: di-'d&k-sh&n, dE-
Function: noun

2 a : the deriving of a conclusion by reasoning; specifically : inference in which the conclusion about particulars follows necessarily from general or universal premises -- compare INDUCTION b : a conclusion reached by logical deduction

Main Entry: as·sump·tion
Pronunciation: &-'s&m(p)-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin assumption-, assumptio taking up, from Latin assumere

5 a : an assuming that something is true b : a fact or statement (as a proposition, axiom, postulate, or notion) taken for granted
6 : the taking over of another's debts

 

. . . truce?

 

truce

 

HA HA HA HA...... 'scuse me, i have tears in my eyes! de too expensive????

ROFLMAO

don't you have a 997???
aren't you planning on getting a GT3??

the freakin' brake pads cost more than the entry fee for a de.

if you think "track *****" is offensive, you are clueless. that's actually a high praise in track circles. really. ask around.

if you don't know, or are unable to figure out, someone's driving habits, that's fine. track ladies of the night just KNOW.... dbrf's driving habits are loud and clear. if he's undecided between those two cars, we ALREADY KNOW his habits. they are not track-oriented, which makes them street oriented. if they were track-oriented, he WOULD NOT HAVE A CHOICE. it would only be, COULD only be, the gt3.

there have been many examples of people getting gt3's and realizing they are just a bit too much for them. not what they wanted/expected. those people get rid of their gt3's within a year.

i suspect you've never driven on the track. you should. once you get spanked by another equal, beginner of a driver, that "happens" to be in a gt3, you'll know why track ****** get them. no matter what you do, if there are equal drivers, the gt3 will make the 99-anything look like it's standing still.