max540i

Here's another (useless?) stat (from someone who should be doing other things than following this thread), from the porsche dealer site for all 997.2s:

festina-lente

My understanding was that Turbo 997.2 manuals were extremely rare and command a hefty premium. Anyone with specific knowledge please comment.

BillB128

Well, the thread is 122 posts in with no definitive data with regard to the number of 997.2's produced and the PDK/Manual production split. Unless someone from PCNA chimes in, it might be time to ask someone who is wise in all things....... Mr. Owl.
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da Vinci Dan

I think the reality discussed here is not how many were made (likely closer to the 20% estimate BTW) but rather how many are available for sale. Owners of 997.2 6MT coupes, particularly C2S, C4S and of course GTS, (again - NOT CABRIOLETS) just are not selling them. Owners know what they have is special, love them, and are keeping them or trading them privately, They are not on the market. If they are they have high miles and/or have accident history and are at the corner "buy here, pay here" lots in Hoboken, NJ or anywhere in Florida.

BillB128

Agreed. I know that I intend to hold on to my 6MT C2S coupe. The other factor that's been spoken about in the past is that the 997.2 run coincided with great recession of 2007/2008. Production was down and dealers were not receiving a lot of customer orders, so they were spec'ing their allocations for inventory and PDK was the flavor of the day and the cars were ordered in "safe" colors (Black, Silver, Gray, White), so they would be easy to move. But again, no hard numbers.

bluelines1974

There were just under 500 997.2 Turbos for North America with manual transmission, compared to 547 manual GTS cars for the US. Assume another 50 for Canada, and it's still pretty close. Correction: 625 including Canada. I don't know the convertible / coupe split for the Turbos. When it comes to the sweet spot - RWD manual coupe GTS - there are only 276 for the US, and 311 including Canada (just over 300 including Canada). My personal experience was that there was pretty much always a good manual 997.2 Turbo coupe with low mileage available, but very rarely a good RWD manual coupe GTS with low miles.

Prairiedawg

Why do so many people keep suggesting, without evidence, that the number is close to 20 percent? To back up this claim they say well, I can't find many for sale. That's like saying there aren't any monkeys in the wild because I only see them at the zoo.

This is the same argument used to speculate about 997 GTS manuals. It was shown to be an average of 39%. That's real close to 40% for those of you playing at home. Then Body In White provided extra information about those GTS cars including builds and options that completely jived with the proven numbers. He became completely credible in my book.

Now, he tells this forum that the numbers for ALL Carreras closely match the GTS averages, but we don't believe him because.........there's only a few listed on Autotrader. I noticed that he hasn't replied to this thread since, and who could blame him. Many are going to believe what they want, that our manuals are the rarest of the rare, no matter what.I believe the guy, what's in it for him?

cvalue13

just curious - is there more background to why you take BiW’s comments at face value?

not that I have any take myself, totally agnostic here, just feeling like there’s more background I’m missing

bluelines1974

Most people are just genuinely interested in getting the actual data. It’s not about “not believing” anyone, but rather saying it would be nice to have an opinion or conjecture confirmed by the definitive data.

I really don’t care about the value of my car. I just like data and forums are often great places to find, discuss and validate data.

I don’t think anyone here, including I suspect, BiW, is taking personal offence about their opinion on a frankly completely inconsequential matter being debated.

sandwedge

Another take on the subject FWIW:

Porsche may be the last manufacturer to end the manual transmission

It’s on the horizon, but my estimate is that we have one more full 911 generation (6-7 years from the end of the 992.2) where at least some models have the manual available as an option. Maybe the 2033 or 2035 (whenever the 994 ends) 911 will not, but I think we will see at least some availability through the latter years of the decade.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/com...the/?rdt=46911

festina-lente

Thanks for your insight.

TommyV44

Good....I'll be too old to drive then....maybe! LOL! Besides...by that time the 911 will be the size of a school bus!

Prairiedawg

Because he's provided other information about other models in the past.

sandwedge

You'll be just fine Tom. Even driving a 911 school bus version as long as it's blue and a convertible

bzliteyear

Nice porsche. It looks like it does not have sports Chrono as it is 6MT. Have you seen many manual cars with Sports Chrono?