OT: Cayenne aficionados, is there a 997.2 equivalent?
09-30-2022, 10:58 AM
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OT: Cayenne aficionados, is there a 997.2 equivalent?
A few years in, I've come to appreciate the following 997.2 virtues: position in the depreciation curve, relatively well engineered, and nice balance of analog vs. digital. Is there a Cayenne generation that offers the same set of virtues, or could in the near future (i.e., with further depreciation)?
Winter is coming. Thanks for your thoughts
Winter is coming. Thanks for your thoughts
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preoctavian (09-30-2022)
10-01-2022, 07:27 AM
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To me, the 957 is the sweet spot in the Cayenne model lineup and what Porsche envisioned it to be, which is a high performance SUV with real off-road capability that could compete with Range Rover on that aspect.
957s have a true low range transfer case, the shape of the body is more masculine than the next generation where the nose got pointy, the hatch rounded, the taillights curvy, etc. The 957 shape allows for more cargo capacity in the back, has a separately opening rear window making it easier to fully load.
From an interior perspective it's the most like the 997 with a single screen, more analog, and less fancy and it's DFI like the 997.2.
Avoid the 2008 model year, especially if driving it in cold winter weather. The cylinder honing process was changed for the 2099 model year and why 08s have the highest incidence of bore scoring. DFI combined with cold climate is not good.
The ultimate version is the 09 Turbo S with 550 HP and PDCC standard which makes the handling unbelievable. The turbo S and 400 HP normally aspirated GTS share the same aero bodywork which makes them nicer looking.
I didn't buy mine until 2016 and specifically sought out an 09 Turbo S.
958s of all years have Transfer Case issues. Some vehicles are on their 3rd one.
Good luck with your search.
957s have a true low range transfer case, the shape of the body is more masculine than the next generation where the nose got pointy, the hatch rounded, the taillights curvy, etc. The 957 shape allows for more cargo capacity in the back, has a separately opening rear window making it easier to fully load.
From an interior perspective it's the most like the 997 with a single screen, more analog, and less fancy and it's DFI like the 997.2.
Avoid the 2008 model year, especially if driving it in cold winter weather. The cylinder honing process was changed for the 2099 model year and why 08s have the highest incidence of bore scoring. DFI combined with cold climate is not good.
The ultimate version is the 09 Turbo S with 550 HP and PDCC standard which makes the handling unbelievable. The turbo S and 400 HP normally aspirated GTS share the same aero bodywork which makes them nicer looking.
I didn't buy mine until 2016 and specifically sought out an 09 Turbo S.
958s of all years have Transfer Case issues. Some vehicles are on their 3rd one.
Good luck with your search.
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10-01-2022, 12:00 PM
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To me, the 957 is the sweet spot in the Vatenne model lineup and what Porsche envisioned it to be, which is a high performance sub with real off-road capability that could compete with Range Rover on that aspect.
957s have a true low range transfer case, the shape of the body is more masculine than the next generation where the nose got pointy, the hatch rounded, the taillights curvy, etc. The 957 shape allows for more cargo capacity in the back, has a separately opening rear window making it easier to to fully load.
From sn interior perspective it's the most like the 997 with a single screen, more analog, and less fancy and is DFI like the 997.2.
Avoid the 2008 model year, especially if driving it in cold winter weather. The cylinder honing process was changed for the 2099 model year and why 08s have the highest incidence of bore scoring.
The ultimate version is the 09 Turbo S with 550 HP and PDCC standard which makes the handling unbelievable. The turbo S and 400 HP normally aspirated GTS share the same aero bodywork which makes them nicer looking.
I didn't buy mine until 2016 and specifically sought out an 09 Turbo S.
958a of all years have Transfer Case issues. Some vehicles are on their 3rd one.
Good luck with your search.
957s have a true low range transfer case, the shape of the body is more masculine than the next generation where the nose got pointy, the hatch rounded, the taillights curvy, etc. The 957 shape allows for more cargo capacity in the back, has a separately opening rear window making it easier to to fully load.
From sn interior perspective it's the most like the 997 with a single screen, more analog, and less fancy and is DFI like the 997.2.
Avoid the 2008 model year, especially if driving it in cold winter weather. The cylinder honing process was changed for the 2099 model year and why 08s have the highest incidence of bore scoring.
The ultimate version is the 09 Turbo S with 550 HP and PDCC standard which makes the handling unbelievable. The turbo S and 400 HP normally aspirated GTS share the same aero bodywork which makes them nicer looking.
I didn't buy mine until 2016 and specifically sought out an 09 Turbo S.
958a of all years have Transfer Case issues. Some vehicles are on their 3rd one.
Good luck with your search.
10-02-2022, 02:07 AM
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I have a 958 turbo. I have taken it up on angeles crest a few times when I first got it to put it through the paces compared to my 997.2. I describe it as physics defying. As far as SUV’s go, it will probably give you the closest experience to a 911. It is made by Porsche after all. However, while they can make it handle great despite being heavy, they still can’t make it feel as lightweight as a 911. It is a nice compliment to have the two vehicles.
10-02-2022, 12:00 PM
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I've had zero issues with my late model (2018) 958, and absolutely love it for what it is, and I've had many Audis, RRs, etc. shares some parts w Audi Q5/Q7.
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10-02-2022, 02:03 PM
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I just added a 958.1 Cayenne GTS to the stable. Excellent vehicle so far, and will be my winter driver.
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10-04-2022, 03:40 PM
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I agree with everything Petza says above. I still miss the opening rear glass in the hatch of our 955.
To the OP: Having owned a 955 CTTS I would not recommend a 955 as it does not pass your “relatively well engineered” test IMO. The transmission is stout and interior wears fine, but the engine was a BETA test and too many problems that required chasing for my contentment. But 955s are certain to be fully depreciated and have more “character” than our current 958.2 GTS.
I too think 957s are fully depreciated. 958s still have a little bit left to run IMO (but who really knows).
In the same way that 911 folks say the 991 became more of a “GT Car” compared to earlier generations the same can be said with Cayenne. Our 958.2 is more “GT” than our 955 was in size, feel, and road manners. Not that I perceive this as a bad thing because we use the Cayenne as our long distance highway machine. Small increments of difference, but still a difference.
Again, I think Petza captured it with 957 as best comparison to 997.2.
To the OP: Having owned a 955 CTTS I would not recommend a 955 as it does not pass your “relatively well engineered” test IMO. The transmission is stout and interior wears fine, but the engine was a BETA test and too many problems that required chasing for my contentment. But 955s are certain to be fully depreciated and have more “character” than our current 958.2 GTS.
I too think 957s are fully depreciated. 958s still have a little bit left to run IMO (but who really knows).
In the same way that 911 folks say the 991 became more of a “GT Car” compared to earlier generations the same can be said with Cayenne. Our 958.2 is more “GT” than our 955 was in size, feel, and road manners. Not that I perceive this as a bad thing because we use the Cayenne as our long distance highway machine. Small increments of difference, but still a difference.
Again, I think Petza captured it with 957 as best comparison to 997.2.
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10-05-2022, 03:27 PM
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Having owned a 958.2, I don't know if I'd agree that the 958 is the 997.2 comparo. Perhaps the 957 is a better match though I haven't owned one.
IMHO the transfer case issues w/the 958 ( a design flaw IMO that will result in repeated replacement ) along with the cam cover bolt issue on the TT v6 cast a pretty big cloud over this generation in terms of ownership costs. They drive great, but IMHO are pretty flawed.
I'm not sure if the same transer case issues apply to the new Cayennes. IIRC most of the engines are now VW/Audi so the engine issues will be different (not necessarily zero
)
IMHO the transfer case issues w/the 958 ( a design flaw IMO that will result in repeated replacement ) along with the cam cover bolt issue on the TT v6 cast a pretty big cloud over this generation in terms of ownership costs. They drive great, but IMHO are pretty flawed.
I'm not sure if the same transer case issues apply to the new Cayennes. IIRC most of the engines are now VW/Audi so the engine issues will be different (not necessarily zero
)
10-07-2022, 02:11 AM
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I am a 997.2 GTS owner and love it.
I recently picked up a heavily optioned 2016 958.2 diesel as my daily. I absolutely love the thing. I don’t think they are the SUV version of the 997.2 though, the experience is more 991 to me…. But I am very happy with the vehicle and it is unmistakably a Porsche.
I recently picked up a heavily optioned 2016 958.2 diesel as my daily. I absolutely love the thing. I don’t think they are the SUV version of the 997.2 though, the experience is more 991 to me…. But I am very happy with the vehicle and it is unmistakably a Porsche.
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10-08-2022, 06:32 PM
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I've had 2009 957 diesel, 2013 958.1 diesel, and now 958.2 GTS for the winter/daily (997.1 4s for weekends).
957 maintenance cost to 100k km (62k miles) over 5 years was one of the lowest I've seen across all my cars owned. I think I had one electrical issue (speakers) due to water damage. The rest was regular maintenance (oil and filters, pads, disks, sparks etc). 958.1 wasn't much worse, but I remember being in service with it a bit more diagnosing weird pcm, speaker or center console issues. Both cars were sold around 110k miles.
The 958.2 GTS is ridiculously fun to drive. But I'm not sure I keep it once the extended warranty is about to expire in 2 years. Changed the transfer case under warranty already. Out of those three I think a low mileage 958.1 turbo (or maybe diesel S) is probably the sweet spot being modern enough, a bit more sharper to drive than 957, and built to last.
957 maintenance cost to 100k km (62k miles) over 5 years was one of the lowest I've seen across all my cars owned. I think I had one electrical issue (speakers) due to water damage. The rest was regular maintenance (oil and filters, pads, disks, sparks etc). 958.1 wasn't much worse, but I remember being in service with it a bit more diagnosing weird pcm, speaker or center console issues. Both cars were sold around 110k miles.
The 958.2 GTS is ridiculously fun to drive. But I'm not sure I keep it once the extended warranty is about to expire in 2 years. Changed the transfer case under warranty already. Out of those three I think a low mileage 958.1 turbo (or maybe diesel S) is probably the sweet spot being modern enough, a bit more sharper to drive than 957, and built to last.
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10-08-2022, 09:33 PM
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I am a 997.2 GTS owner and love it.
I recently picked up a heavily optioned 2016 958.2 diesel as my daily. I absolutely love the thing. I don’t think they are the SUV version of the 997.2 though, the experience is more 991 to me…. But I am very happy with the vehicle and it is unmistakably a Porsche.
I recently picked up a heavily optioned 2016 958.2 diesel as my daily. I absolutely love the thing. I don’t think they are the SUV version of the 997.2 though, the experience is more 991 to me…. But I am very happy with the vehicle and it is unmistakably a Porsche.
10-09-2022, 03:21 PM
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You are correct, the .2 diesels do not have the transfer case issue.