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Old Mar 23, 2022 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chalkboss
This sucks, but I have heard it's due to privacy issues and the dealer not willing to accept responsibility of divulging personal info. Silly if you ask me.
Even as a new owner of the used car, I do agree with the dealers on this. I did not pay for the services, I don't get to have the invoices. Turn it around, I would like my privacy kept too. It's already too exposed on the net in many other ways.
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Old Mar 23, 2022 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by yelcab
Even as a new owner of the used car, I do agree with the dealers on this. I did not pay for the services, I don't get to have the invoices. Turn it around, I would like my privacy kept too. It's already too exposed on the net in many other ways.
Agree with you on keeping private info private/invoices are personal property. That said, passing on service and maintenance data should be a part of any automobile transaction, be it auction, dealer or private party. A service record would be easy to pull from a database, redacting any personal info. A Porsche dealer has the resources to access any Porsche maintenance done per VIN. Right? Services performed and dates are not threats to anyone’s privacy. CarFax, DMV are just a couple examples. Auto dealers don’t want to spend the effort to compile any detailed records because they don’t have to and definitely don’t want to. Consumers are not as diligent as they should be, so no pressure from the market to force dealers to cough up records. Used autos sell with a big old “as-is” proviso and that’s that.
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Old Mar 23, 2022 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hatchetf15
Agree with you on keeping private info private/invoices are personal property. That said, passing on service and maintenance data should be a part of any automobile transaction, be it auction, dealer or private party. A service record would be easy to pull from a database, redacting any personal info. A Porsche dealer has the resources to access any Porsche maintenance done per VIN. Right? Services performed and dates are not threats to anyone’s privacy. CarFax, DMV are just a couple examples. Auto dealers don’t want to spend the effort to compile any detailed records because they don’t have to and definitely don’t want to. Consumers are not as diligent as they should be, so no pressure from the market to force dealers to cough up records. Used autos sell with a big old “as-is” proviso and that’s that.
Different Porsche dealers do not have the ability to see services done at other dealers, as of now as far as I know. Period.
I have had this problem with my car and different dealers in different states, I have to tell them services I have had done when I go in.
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Old Mar 23, 2022 | 06:02 PM
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DIY value is solely dependent on the talent/knowledge/experience of those doing it. A corollary of that: when buying a used car one buys the owner not the car.
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Old Mar 25, 2022 | 11:13 PM
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Considering some of the work I've had done at my local dealer, or even a highly regarded indy shop, I would actually prefer to buy a car from a mechanically inclined owner. It doesn't take much of a conversation to figure out if the guy new what he was doing and how much of a perfectionist he was.
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Old Mar 25, 2022 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by larrytrk
Different Porsche dealers do not have the ability to see services done at other dealers, as of now as far as I know. Period.
I have had this problem with my car and different dealers in different states, I have to tell them services I have had done when I go in.
Yes they do, it's just much more profitable to plead ignorance and duplicate service. I've seen that done at the same dealer. Most customers don't have a clue and they have to find out if you are one of them.
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Old Mar 25, 2022 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ADias
DIY value is solely dependent on the talent/knowledge/experience of those doing it. A corollary of that: when buying a used car one buys the owner not the car.
This same scenario happened to me.- I paid cash for 2007 C4S 4 yrs ago and found car gone & owner living in my garage


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Old Apr 3, 2022 | 08:29 AM
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I may use an independent shop but will do the work with the Indy mechanic. It is teamwork at that level and I only use their best mechanic.





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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by yvesvidal
Personally, I do everything myself and would not trust an official dealer. I am way too demanding for the level of quality that these guys provides....
Occasionally, I may use an independent shop but will do the work with the Indy mechanic. It is teamwork at that level and I only use their best mechanic.
So, yes DIY in full spectrum. Dealers are a waste of time, money and quite often you have to do it again.

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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CPMorey
Do you think DIY affects value?

I didn't buy these cars expecting that they would be worth more than I paid for them, and who really knows if it's lasting or just a factor of the times we're in now.

Assume they do hold valve even if they don't increase much. Do you think DIY jobs like fluid changes and routine maintenance will affect the value of the car? Do buyers want to see a stack of invoices to prove the work was performed on schedule or will the good word of an enthusiast carry the same weight?
I would never discount a car due to diy service. Getting a bad feeling about the previous owner would mean a bad feeling, regardless of whether it comes with service records or diy records. Buy the seller, and also the car.
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 06:28 PM
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anything can be sold , its how you sell it.

if you happen to be a master technician, and or have studied off of them, know ur tools, process, have formal documentation + receipts, photos of the process, and even have substantial form post history over the years showcasing ur expertise + experience of any matter (not just cars) - i cant see how this can hurt value... this can only aid.

i would also expect the avg porsche buyer to understand + value the above concepts, based on the fact it would be of higher probability that they practise the above (or similar) concepts themselves ...which *should* yeild to better practises in what they do, and higher incomes. These things currently are not cheap at all in the used market.... and where i live (based on their age) are mostly cash purchases.

Not to mention lots of ppl in this income class have simply experienced first hand, what it feels like to be hosed, ripped-off + lied to by their beloved mercedes, audi, bmw, tesla... and porsche dealerships.... u don't always get what u pay for. Sadly a substantial amount of dealership maintenance + service (many of which has been documented here) sadly reflects that today.

The right buyer will 'get it'. You are always buying the 'buyer', not the product itself.

Originally Posted by CPMorey
Do you think DIY affects value?

I didn't buy these cars expecting that they would be worth more than I paid for them, and who really knows if it's lasting or just a factor of the times we're in now.

Assume they do hold valve even if they don't increase much. Do you think DIY jobs like fluid changes and routine maintenance will affect the value of the car? Do buyers want to see a stack of invoices to prove the work was performed on schedule or will the good word of an enthusiast carry the same weight?

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