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"My sources include Porsche dealerships and reputable indy shops, who tell me these issues are not nearly as prevalent as these forums tend to push."
Isn't this comment "without data and anecdotal"?
Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
2009 C2S 174K miles
"My sources include Porsche dealerships and reputable indy shops, who tell me these issues are not nearly as prevalent as these forums tend to push."
What the heck, thought I would throw a flamer into this. My source... a retired Porsche shop foreman... said these M96/M97 engines were built cheap and he does not trust them. Is my source bigger than your source? I dunno. I just know that I had two blow on me. Good? Evil? We are talking about statistical probabilities here. I will never own one again.
Peace
Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
Exactly my point gents - it's all anecdotal. Without a proper study, who knows. I do know that the people I know who don't frequent the forums have more fun with their cars and never a care in the world for the most part.
And Jake, yes you are right, you do not ever posit any info about the 997.2 engines (although I think your views are pretty public on the 997.1), and it is many others citing you as a source for this stuff. But that is hearsay, which makes it all even more unreliable. I am thankful we have developers and vendors like you, and your backlog is well earned. But I think others should refrain from citing to engine builders to support anecdotal stats on bore score failures.
FYI- I have produced exactly ONE video about the 997.2 (and later) engine, and that video was focused around the 997.2 currently owned by @Optionman1 after it experienced engine failure due to bore scoring.
I have started zero threads, on zero forums about the 997.2 and later engines. my posts about these engines have been limited, and I have purposely not shared any information about these engines to date. My classes about these engines have also been limited, and open only to professional technicians at this point.
In other words I have done everything I possibly can to refrain from being the evil vendor that people want me to be. They want to blame everything on me, and my direct experiences that I have shared. If someone's car loses value (because of anything) it is my fault for being a vendor that solves problems, and shares my experiences first hand. Being direct, and truthful makes me an easy target, or at least it did with the M9X series of engines.
The last time I checked my queue for an engine was 19 months long, and I cancelled all my advertisements 2 years ago. I turn more work down than we accept, and I don't need, or want the business that I **could** get by creating fear in this marketplace.
I just want to thank both Jake Raby and Charles Navarro for both providing excellent advice, information and commentary here, in YouTube videos and on your respective websites. I appreciate your insight and support for our community on many different subjects. I have learned so much from both of you. On your behalf, please allow me to point out all the excellent information that you guys provide to all of us on maintenance and methods to PREVENT bore scoring….. Please just ignore the comments of a few.
I just want to thank both Jake Raby and Charles Navarro for both providing excellent advice, information and commentary here, in YouTube videos and on your respective websites. I appreciate your insight and support for our community on many different subjects. I have learned so much from both of you. On your behalf, please allow me to point out all the excellent information that you guys provide to all of us on maintenance and methods to PREVENT bore scoring….. Please just ignore the comments of a few.
Don't forget the man behind the curtain (or camera) too! haha
Last edited by ZuffenZeus; 07-27-2021 at 03:24 PM.
I just want to thank both Jake Raby and Charles Navarro for both providing excellent advice, information and commentary here, in YouTube videos and on your respective websites. I appreciate your insight and support for our community on many different subjects. I have learned so much from both of you. On your behalf, please allow me to point out all the excellent information that you guys provide to all of us on maintenance and methods to PREVENT bore scoring….. Please just ignore the comments of a few.
I just want to thank both Jake Raby and Charles Navarro for both providing excellent advice, information and commentary here, in YouTube videos and on your respective websites. I appreciate your insight and support for our community on many different subjects. I have learned so much from both of you. On your behalf, please allow me to point out all the excellent information that you guys provide to all of us on maintenance and methods to PREVENT bore scoring….. Please just ignore the comments of a few.
For all 997.1 owners and prospective buyers, I encourage you to watch Jake's videos. They are informative and presented without bias, just facts. I am averse to any type of commercialism and salesmanship in general, and I walked away feeling convinced that 1) Jake knows what he is talking about, 2) he is NOT selling snake oil, hearsay, or fear-mongering, and 3) I would never buy a 997.1 again regardless of how well maintained it is. The only exception is if the engine was rebuilt with Nikasil liners.
There are thousands of .1s out there running smoothly and without incident or symptoms. But the inherent weaknesses of the engines is enough for ME to want to avoid them. Not worth the potential hassle or drama, IMO. And it's just that, my opinion. For all the .1 owners/prospective buyers out there, there is enough info/data publicly available to make informed decisions about these cars. As long as you exercise your brain, you can make the right decision for you. YMMV. Good luck to everyone out there and enjoy these cars, regardless! Cheers. Jim
07-27-2021, 01:33 PM
Jim
