sk82

I'm a wannabe Porsche owner, specifically a 997.2, and my dream is nearing to realization...

I have scheduled a PPI with local SoCal dealership for a 2009 C2 PDK with 67k miles. This car was purchased and serviced/repaired at the same dealership for the past 7 years.

First question is, do you all think the attached PPI template from the dealership is missing any items specific to 997.2? Should I look at indy's around town?

Highly related second question is, regardless of the template, is it a good idea to go to the same shop (the dealership) to do the PPI where they have the history of the car, or should i go to a shop without any history for a fresher look?

Truly appreciate all of your expertise in this world, and hope I can join the family soon.

G.I.G.

That PPI checklist looks fairly comprehensive.

I don't think I'm in the minority when I say that it's best to get a non-biased PPI done. Is the dealership the one selling the car? If so, I would absolutely have another qualified Indy do the PPI. If they're not the one selling the car but have serviced it, that might be a better scenario.

Just curious, how much are they going to charge you for the PPI? All things being equal, labor rates at a dealership come at a premium and you might save some money by taking it to an independent Porsche specialist for the PPI. I'm sure there is someone here who can give you some recommendations for shops in SoCal that can get you in for a PPI and will do a good job.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Floyd540

Congrats, you are not a "wannabe" , you are a "gonannbe " (sp?). Typically an inspection , like a second opinion is done with a different set of eyes. With that said, the 997.2 car with medium millage is a bulletproof car. Since the car has service history (7 years) at the dealer, this is all good. Also the inspection report looks a lot like the CPO inspection report which is considered a gold standard. Unless your are just suspicious or have true concerns about this car, I would have the dealer do the inspection and have them fix any issues that show up. This is easy and you will be on your way. If the car was not a .2 car, had no service history, scruffy condition, over 150,000 miles, unknown number of owners and locations, etc, then I would do a full second or third opinion. This car will prove out good.

sk82

Thank you for the comment! i've shopped around SoCal for PPI pricing, and this particular dealership was in the middle at $650. AND they are not the seller, so i feel a lot comfortable with it.

sk82

Thank you. i feel much comfortable now. super excited to be a part of fam

4Driver4

I see nothing on that list worth paying someone to check.

hexagone

For the OP - I would disregard this comment.

I buy all my cars on my own, without PPI, not at the dealership and from private sellers so I know what I'm looking for and spend the time myself to show up and do a thorough inspection. But for someone who is not well versed, that PPI report is actually fairly comprehensive. Most PPIs don't include paint gauge reports and underside photos, so that's already good.

In fact, most PPIs are complete garbage, as we've seen here a number of times from people who have had remorse after buying a car with a PPI.

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I take it back partially. At $650 that is extremely steep and would be pretty hesitant to proceed. The level of items covered on that list, regardless of market, should be around $300. It's no more than 1.5 hours of work. At $650 I've seen compression results included.

4Driver4

I realize I was less than eloquent, but there isn't much meat on that bone. About 90% that stuff my mother could check, like top operation, test drive, history. Why bother doing a PPI that doesn't do a little bit more to check engine health? Bore scoring, anyone?
And what's with the pass/fail system? I'd want a few notes on each one.

texass4

For that much $$$, I'd almost want to be there in person with the tech looking over the car to get his or her real-time impressions. Many dealers around here no longer do PPIs, as I guess it creates an implied statement that they've "certified" the condition somehow. Then, if something they green lit breaks soon after purchase, then the buyer is none too happy with them. Imputed liability - whether right or wrong.

I've never been one to be too insistent on PPI. As long as you've got a clean CarFax (which isn't always gospel but it helps), decent service history, a reputable seller and a good gut feel, I'd say go for it. It's a 12 year old car at this point, so there's some risk involved no matter what, but these 997.2s have been proven to be very good cars with few overt issues.

I'll say this...if it's for sale at a Porsche dealer, odds are it's a fine car. If they took it in on trade and found out after the fact that it was a dog, it would have gone to auction as fast as possible. Most don't even try to retail the crap at all.

BA73

I'll chime in to ask for a bit of guidance. Friend of the potential buyer, 991.2 owner. I suggested he do a legit ppi to really investigate due to the history of the car. yes, there are service records, but with a few issues.
-cracked tail lights with condensation in the housing
- yellow hazy cracking headlights
- wobbly rear decklid and spoiler when deployed
-curb rash wheels
-scratched/dented rear bumperetts
-and a story of rats living in the car and all new wiring

I'm sure you can understand how these few but significant issues could easily add up to a major bill after purchase.

appreciate the insight!

JHuggans

Sounds like it's been kept outside its entire life. It's easy to get starry-eyed with these cars and overlook some glaring red flags. I would save my PPI money for a car that doesn't already have some pretty expensive repairs at the start. Unless it's a smoking deal of course but we'd have to be talking 20's or maybe low 30's.

texass4

Yikes. Not sure I’d be clearing time in my schedule to pay for a PPI on that one. Sounds pretty rough, no?

CAVU

Have you checked with https://www.callasrennsport.com/blog...ase-inspection
https://www.pca.org/sites/default/fi..._Rennsport.pdf
https://www.callasrennsport.com/Files/Documents/Pre-purchase-Inspections-101.pdf
https://www.callasrennsport.com/Files/Documents/Pre-purchase-Inspections-101_1.pdf
https://www.callasrennsport.com/File...s-Part-III.pdf

Bxstr

That inspection form is the CPO checklist that the dealer uses. It's a comprehensive list, but it's one that is only as good as the person actually doing the inspection.

The form shown in this thread may have less items on it, but I would say is an ideal PPI. I want all flaws pointed out, however, cosmetic things that you can note yourself since you're local are probably less important than if you were an out of state buyer.

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...-thoughts.html

I wouldn't have an issue with taking the car to the same shop that serviced the car for a previous owner, providing that the owner of the car does not have any connections with the shop/dealer. Such as knowing the service advisor or other workers and trying to get a better PPI than what the car actually should get.

sk82

I did check, and some others too... perhaps their inspection is more comprehensive, because the price was higher.

Thank you to all for the other comments. I think I'm going to go through with the dealership PPI. I'll keep the interested parties updated afterwards. And yes, I'm getting a pretty good deal...