grgallo

considering to begin searching for a 997.1 Coupe, I'd like to get a manual S with 380 HP, how rare is this car? I see a lot of S models with sport chrono plus and note they have 355 HP, it seems that to get the 380 HP you need the sport chrono plus and sport exhaust options, educate me, thanks.

Hindsight2010

You'd need the X51 powerkit option to get that power from a 997.1 CS. The X51 option is extremely rare and was a like $10k or $15k option that VERY few people ordered. Sport Chrono and Sport Exhaust don't add power.

You'd be much better off getting a 997.2 C2S which comes with 385HP, and doesn't have the IMS (bore scoring is much lower risk too). I believe the price for a 997.1S with X51 is going to be about the same as a 997.2S, though it's tough to say because there are so few X51 cars out there. You'll have such a hard time finding an X51 car that meets your other criteria (price, mileage, location, color, history, etc) that a 997.2 C2S is really the way to go.

shyamvenky

The only Carrera spec that comes in ~380 hp is the Carrera S (Or C4S or Targa 4S) with X51 Powerkit or the Club Coupe (which already has the X51 I think) => 376 hp.
Examples are pretty rare I think. Also, it is quite expensive to retrofit the X51 kit to a regular Carrera S.
For that money, you can probably look into a nice 997.2 S that also has 380 hp :P or even a GTS

wc11

Lot of money for roughly 0.2 sec quicker and 4 mph faster.

Jeremy Hazeltine

For the money, you could take the 355hp and add some x51-ish parts to gain a bit more hp

bgoetz

This. Pretty sure an exhaust, HFC, intake, Plenum, and tune will be less $ and net you much more than 25 bhp

63mercedes

If your fixed on the 380+ number then as everyone stated above you either need the facelift 09-2012 997.2 or the X51 option. Not to be confused with the second half of the 2012 which switched to the 991. There are two body styles for that year depending on the manufacturing date. I got the new issue of Panorama today in the mail. The cheapest GTS is like 80k, and obviously a PDK. You could go faster for cheaper with a 996-997 turbo. The X51 is a great option and will likely help you recoup some of your money when you go to sell it. But... it's rare and life is short. You could be waiting a while. I have 09 C4S manual coupe... no full leather, no sport chrono, no sport seats. No care. I would never pass on great cars just cause of one option. My point is check your main boxes, don't get hemmed up on it. Your in a good place just keep reading the boards and you'll know exactly what you want. And depending on that it could take you a few days or a year. Mine took 4 months. And as soon as I bought mine the manual market seriously dried up. Just my 2 cents.

Porsch

Yikes, you really have a lot of reading to do.

sandwedge

Big news if factual as I've never seen anything supporting this. Please post whatever you have that produces more than 25 hp for less money than the X-51 treatment. Very hard to squeeze more than marginal hp gains out of these engines short of a supercharger. Likely the reason the X-51 kit was about $15,000 and still only delivered just over 20 hp. I say "was" about the X-51 since last time I checked Suncoast's parts it wasn't available. My guess is that about $15K for 23 hp seemed a bit steep for most and orders were few and far between.

Hindsight2010

My own dyno dyno tests have shown no power gains from exhaust. Independent dyno desting of the intake plenums and cold air intakes show no power gains. So I'm with you. But FVD touts 25+ HP gains with their header-back package plus tune. It's like $10k though. And I have not seen anyone independently Dyno test their set-up.

Still say the 997.2 S is the way to go if you need 385hp. You'll never get the money back on your aftermarket mods. 997.2 has better resale than 997.1.

bgoetz

There are dyno charts all over showing gains from bolt-on mods, the biggest being the HFC and plenum combined with a tune, but the others seem to help as well. There are many available on the various manufacturers web pages and others from independent owners if you search. Our local shop as personally seen over 25whp on a 997.1 C2S from these mods, which certainly equates to more than 25bhp (25bhp is not a lot in terms of whp).

Now you could most certainly dispute these as the manufacturer trying to sell their part and all I can say is that you will never be convinced otherwise and I won’t waste the effort trying.

Flat_Six_

Hindsight2010 - it's great that you join the 997.1 discussion and use it as an opportunity to talk down on our cars, while talking up you 997.2. It's not responsive to the OP's question, and self-serving at the same time.

vern1

How is it talking down your/our cars, thats crazy?? He is just stating a fact that that is the only way to get that horsepower and 997.2's do go for more $$
Yes there are dyno charts all over the place disputing the manufacturers and others claims of big horsepower gains from bolt ons but you (and others) will never be convinced otherwise and i wont waste the effort trying. Got some swamp land for ya....

Hindsight2010

Your decision to become personally offended (over a car) by my opinions is your own. I can't take responsibility for your emotions or how they compel you to mischarcterize the intentions and actions of others.

If you have an issue with any of the facts I've provided and you believe them to be incorrect, I would be happy to discuss it in a non-emotional manner.
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bgoetz

I completely understand why manufacturers get frustrated. Many try hard to develop a good product, provide data and take real pride in what they do. The problem is they can never produce anything that suggests any type of gain without it being disputed by others. After spending considerable time building an S2k and trying to convince others of gains I had made with bolt-on mods, I gave up on those who don’t want to be convinced.

I am definitely not suggesting massive gains, but 25bhp is most certainly obtainable with bolt on mods and a tune. The information is out there if you chose to do your research in a non-bias manner, but you won’t. My conclusion for people like yourself is that just as there are those who want to believe in 100bhp gains to justify money spent, there are just as many who don’t want to spend $ but don’t want to feel as if they are missing out on something, so they will latch on to every piece of information that supports this.