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Most mainstream manufacturers design their engine temperature needle to stay in one place once the engine is warm even though actual engine temps may vary as much as 20 or 25 degrees. They do it to keep the masses from running back to the dealership thinking something is wrong with their car. Porsche assumes we know better and shows actual engine temps. Just drive the damn thing. Rain. Shine. Snow. These cars do it all well. But yes, let it get warm before driving it hard.
Yes, but only on the oil temp and pressure. There is no way I believe the water temp stays dead on 175F no matter the oil temp. When I was climbing out of Panamint Springs last July and the oil was around 275F, the water gauge was still indicating 175F. Yeah right.
In my '04 TJ, the temp gauges are all dummy gauges. Once warmed up they never ever move unless they gone catastrophic.
My car really doesn't pass 200F no matter how long I have been driving "normal". It stays at 175 when it's warmed up. If I get on it and drive it hard it will go up to 200 or 210. I have a 997.2 BTW.
My car really doesn't pass 200F no matter how long I have been driving "normal". It stays at 175 when it's warmed up. If I get on it and drive it hard it will go up to 200 or 210. I have a 997.2 BTW.
Give it chance. Don't worry, it will when summer rolls around.
Had a great drive Sunday in the AR (atmospheric river) that's passing over the San Francisco Bay Area. Again had trouble keeping the oil above 175F.
Still hard for me to understand how the oil temp isn't by default higher than the water temp making me wonder if the fake water gauge reads 175 whether high or low ... Or maybe as others have wondered ... My oil temp gauge is squirrelly.
Most mainstream manufacturers design their engine temperature needle to stay in one place once the engine is warm even though actual engine temps may vary as much as 20 or 25 degrees. They do it to keep the masses from running back to the dealership thinking something is wrong with their car. Porsche assumes we know better and shows actual engine temps. Just drive the damn thing. Rain. Shine. Snow. These cars do it all well. But yes, let it get warm before driving it hard.
I think this is true for the Oil Temp, but my 997 water temp. gauge is definitely a "dummy" that sits smack dab at 175* all day.
I live in Scottsdale, Arizona where the temperatures routinely get over 100 from late May thru late September. I have the additional radiator. on my 2011 997.2 and my oil temp doesn't get over 200 often. When I track the car, it will go up to 210-220 but it cools back down rather quickly. The idiot gauge (water temp) doesn't work. It goes to 175 and stops. Bruce in Philly and I did a test with a sensor that connected to the car port and proved that the gauge is useless. It also proved that the oil temp was right on. The center radiator is very useful for anyone who wishes to drive in higher heat areas or if you track your car.
I drove my car in the rain today and it did not melt!!
I probably ruined the resale value.
I thought about this thread and kept an eye on temps.
It was in the mid 50s and my oil was at 200 as usual unless I am sitting in stop and go in the heat or really pushing the car.
The car did take twice as long to get to temp but only for the oil. Water temp rose as normal and was rock solid.
These cars aren’t so delicate. 90% of owners don’t follow any warm up procedures and don’t read or participate on forums. A significant percentage of that 90% are in climates that have rain, cold, snow etc. The failure rate of 9A1 motors is <0.1% overall. Take from that what you will...
Sometimes I think of these numbers as well, and in particular how they relate to the 997.1 (which I own) with the IMS issues, bore scoring, etc.... and then I also remember how many of the 996 and boxster/caymen 986 are on the road. The numbers for things like IMS (or maybe bore scoring as well?) are (relatively) high in the late 96 and early 97 cars, BUT with how many high mileage total piece of crap Boxsters/Caymens and even 996 911s I see running around on a regular basis, I really have to assume that the "vast majority" of the issues related to lubrication have to come from people that either never change their oil, change it every 7,000-10,000 miles, don't change the filter, use cheap *** non Porsche spec synthetic oil, or even worse, use cheap non-synthetic oil (probably happens at private shops all the time), never warm up the car properly, etc, etc... It would be interesting to see how common these instances are if a few simple things are followed: Proper warm up, Mobil 1 or better oil, good filters, magnetic oil drain plug, magnetic oil filter adapter, oil changes religiously every 3-4k miles. I have to believe that the % would be greatly reduced.
you could run auxiliary gauges. I have done that. The most subtle one I had was from Zeitronix. It's a wideband and could probably fit in the lower cubby. http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/Products.htm
There's probably a reason for Porsche doing much of their test driving of new models in northern Sweden in the midst of winter. Gets down to 40 below up there at times (been there, seen it and felt it). They know their cars are bought by consumers who drive in all kinds of climates including brutal winter conditions so makes sense that they want to see how the cars behave being driven in those temperatures and if there's any adverse consequences in doing so. Appears to be a non issue or there would likely be a disclaimer of some sort about winter usage. Has anyone heard of an engine related warranty claim being denied because of cold weather driving and improper warmup?
BTW, if the Zeitronix multi digital guage doesn't do it for you (e.g. if you are more of an analog guy), VDO still makes slick guages that would look at home with a custom install in a cubby or some place stealth. They even make mini-versions of their guages.
Sorry for the double post, I just thought of this.
https://www.vdo-gauges.com/instrumen...ion-black.html
I had some auxiliary analog gauges in my car before I went to Zeitronix but the reason I swapped over was the mod-ability of the Zeitronix. You can pretty much do anything from custom display to different gauge faces to integrated displays. For example, I took the rectangular display above and custom fit it into a cubby on my center dash + an E85 analyzer in the glove box. This was a replacement for what would have been a ridiculous 9 gauge set up!! However, if you have 3 or less analog gauges, I would assume you could do a stealthy single din area install where it would look clean and give you the info you want.
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