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I forgot the 991.1’s redeeming quality (singular) - performance. It will imperceptibly outperform an equivalent 997.2.
This is meaningless, of course. Or we would all be driving GTRs or vettes at lower price points lol. What it does mean is that over time the 997.2 will continue to be disproportionately preferred over the 991 because that imperceptible advantage has already become a moot point.... both cars are “slow” relative to less expensive cars out there.
The fact remains that 99.9% on here cannot even get close to driving a 997.2 at 8/10 or 9/10s on a consistent basis, much less 10/10s so the differences in track performance is meaningless except for ago flexing.
I think the answer to your question is purely subjective; it is one that only you can answer for yourself, and you need to drive both, near as close to back to back if possible, to determine which is the one you prefer.
I would start by figuring out what's important to you... The must haves, and maybe don't wants to determine whether you want a base, S, GTS, GT3, and so on... And then drive a 997.2 and a 997.1 of the model you want and then weigh the decision. Don't let potential values or depreciation be a factor, as there is no way of knowing where these cars will be in the future. Rather, the more important value will be in how much enjoyment you get out of driving the car.
Personally speaking, there are reasons why I went with a 997.2, and beyond that, reasons why I prefered base over S, 2 over 4, etc. that really only apply to me; if I went with the popular consensus of which 911 to buy, I would have ended up with a car that doesn't match my preferences.
I think the answer to your question is purely subjective; it is one that only you can answer for yourself, and you need to drive both, near as close to back to back if possible, to determine which is the one you prefer.
I would start by figuring out what's important to you... The must haves, and maybe don't wants to determine whether you want a base, S, GTS, GT3, and so on... And then drive a 997.2 and a 997.1 of the model you want and then weigh the decision. Don't let potential values or depreciation be a factor, as there is no way of knowing where these cars will be in the future. Rather, the more important value will be in how much enjoyment you get out of driving the car.
Personally speaking, there are reasons why I went with a 997.2, and beyond that, reasons why I prefered base over S, 2 over 4, etc. that really only apply to me; if I went with the popular consensus of which 911 to buy, I would have ended up with a car that doesn't match my preferences.
Good luck in your search! And enjoy the hunt...
This remains the best advice as several have suggested.
This is a 997 forum and you are going to get (are getting) the 997 fanboy point of view (best driving car EVER!!!!). Nothing wrong with it but what would you expect? Go to the 991 forum and see what they say.
For me, a first time Porsche owner, what I decided I should get is a nice 997.2 6MT. I'm not a track guy, just wanted to start learning Porsche. I found a great car in Florida on Autotrader and this car is perfect for me at what I had budgeted. If I want (and have the dough) More Porsche I'll move up in car.
I think the answer to your question is purely subjective; it is one that only you can answer for yourself, and you need to drive both, near as close to back to back if possible, to determine which is the one you prefer.
I think the improvements made to the 991.2 (especially the engine) affect the 991.1 resale value.
Lol, brother you are so off base on just about everything you say. Perhaps its because you are neophyte with Porsche or perhaps it’s because you freaked out and sold a perfectly good car due to paranoia and now your trying to convince yourself you made the correct decision.
Me personally, I like forced induction and would probably chose a 991.2 over a 991.1 if I could only afford the base models or S cars. The market is saying otherwise. I am seeing 991.2s getting super cheap while the last of their NA brethren, late 991.1s, holding value pretty well. I saw some 2017s selling for 2013/14 prices recently.
That said, a lot of people jumped into the last of the new 991.2s sitting around because they wanted a new 911, but did not like the 992.
Long term, the 991.1, especially GTS, will hold better than the 991.2 as it’s the last of the NAs and they look decent. Many long term Porsche 911guys want and will always want NA and the NA engines have plenty of performance for public streets.
The reality is no one has a clue as to long term reliability of the 991.2 engine. It could be the best running, longest lasting engine ever or it could end up the biggest basket case ever.
Overall, Porsche 911s are the most durable, easiest to maintain and most reliable high performance sports car on the planet. The bore scoring and particularly the IMS on the M96/97 is troubling, but pales in comparison to certain problems and common maintenance issues plaguing other high end sports cars.
This thread says it all about the current '911' owner. They have no clue about what makes a 911 and what distinguishes it from other cars. Hint: the 991 and on may not apply.
I picked up a 3,100 mile 2009 4S Launch Edition with LWB's and a PDK. Wanted a PDK for the Chicago area traffic.
Just changed out the standard steering wheel for an Alcantara Sport Wheel with proper paddle shifters and swapped out leather seat inserts for Alcantara centers.
Full sunteck wrap going on tomorrow and tuesday. Car only has 3,100 miles but made sure paint was perfectly prepped for wrap ... paint correction and buffing took a couple of days by a professional.
35% tint on everything except windshield, which is 50%.
Having PSE exhaust being installed in a week or so and may be lowering it via Techart springs or Bilstein B16 in the spring.
Also going with a ducktail ... Misha.
Rear camera and k40 laser jammer / dectector going in this month too.
I already installed wheel spacers from Sharkwerks.
I have a set of 997 GT3 Manual Sport Seats getting heat installed and then seats going in for the winter months and I'll put the LWB's back in for the spring & summer.
Thinking of a Bray Krause harness bar for the extra harnesses and PSC2's that I have already on some Fikse track wheels. I'd like to DE or Autocross it once or twice a year.
I thought I wanted to buy a 997.2 until I drove a 2012 911 S 991. But then again I have not driven and 997.2 yet either. I thought I would get the 997.2 because it is said that it is the last of the true driver enthusiast's 911 and therefore will hold its value better. I would appreciate any thoughts on the resiliency of the value and the differences in the drive experience between the 997.2 and the 991 would be appreciated.
If you drive them back to back you should know pretty quickly which one you prefer. They're very different driving experiences.
The styling shared with panamera and caymans is another big 991 fail.
Especially shared with the Panamera. I've really tried to warm up the new 991 generation since I like to trade to something new every 3 years or so but I can't get past the Panamera look, mostly from behind. So the GTS stays.
The reality is no one has a clue as to long term reliability of the 991.2 engine. It could be the best running, longest lasting engine ever or it could end up the biggest basket case ever.
Overall, Porsche 911s are the most durable, easiest to maintain and most reliable high performance sports car on the planet. The bore scoring and particularly the IMS on the M96/97 is troubling, but pales in comparison to certain problems and common maintenance issues plaguing other high end sports cars.
We do have a pretty good basis for projecting long term reliability of the 9A2 because it is an extension of the 9A1 architecture. The 9A1 has been very reliable over the past 10 years including on the 997.2 and 991.1 Turbos. There have been some issues on the 9A1 platform, but I think the track record is looking good and I'd feel confident owning a 9A2 car at some time in the future.
Drive them both and then decide what is right for you. I've owned both generations and stuck with the 997.2 just because I "like" it. I have two air cooled that are a totally different animal but it will come down to a personal preference. 991's are a very refined vehicle and a pleasure to drive. 997's still have a subtle old school feel to them. Again, it's all about what ticks the boxes for your personal taste.
That is too funny. I too own 2 993 and just bought a 997.2S with PDK as a daily driver. The 991 was to much advanced/modern and did not give the old school feel like the 997 still does. Just things like the center console in the 997 is still somewhat close to the old style Porsche.
We do have a pretty good basis for projecting long term reliability of the 9A2 because it is an extension of the 9A1 architecture. The 9A1 has been very reliable over the past 10 years including on the 997.2 and 991.1 Turbos. There have been some issues on the 9A1 platform, but I think the track record is looking good and I'd feel confident owning a 9A2 car at some time in the future.
Right. I'd have 0 qualms picking up a car with 9A2 engine. I don't happen to want a 991.2, especially after getting some seat time in a Carrera T (no thanks!)... but I'm confident that the 9A2 will hold up well. Any engine with turbos will eventually need them rebuilt or replaced but aside from that eventuality I'd think they'll be just fine long term.
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