Price premium, or discount, on a 997.1 with a rebuilt engine?
08-18-2019, 07:55 PM
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Price premium, or discount, on a 997.1 with a rebuilt engine?
Just getting people's thoughts on this. I've seen a few out there. It's tempting to jump on a 4.0 rebuild but I don't have enough experience with rebuilds to understand the specific issues that come along with it. Clearly some will be better than others but for the purpose of this thread lets assume the rebuild is from a well known entity.
Would you pay MORE or LESS for an 3.8>4.0 rebuild on a C2S/C4S?
Would you pay MORE or LESS for an 3.8>4.0 rebuild on a C2S/C4S?
08-18-2019, 08:07 PM
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Three Wheelin'
100% matters on who built it and to what specs.
08-18-2019, 08:27 PM
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Quoted for truth.
I bought my 997 with a bad engine and rebuilt it myself. I have every receipt I collected along the way and am a former ACE Certified (retired) tech. I’ve put 2k miles on it after assembly. I think both the documentation and the post build miles help. In other words, the docs are nice, but 2k miles without grenadine shows that I probably got most of it right.
At 80k miles, it’s probably worth more than an untouched 997, but far less than something built at Raby of somewhere well known.
I bought my 997 with a bad engine and rebuilt it myself. I have every receipt I collected along the way and am a former ACE Certified (retired) tech. I’ve put 2k miles on it after assembly. I think both the documentation and the post build miles help. In other words, the docs are nice, but 2k miles without grenadine shows that I probably got most of it right.
At 80k miles, it’s probably worth more than an untouched 997, but far less than something built at Raby of somewhere well known.
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08-19-2019, 11:53 AM
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Three Wheelin'
I would be willing to pay a small premium but only if there were at least 2-3k miles on the rebuild, documentation of the build, and a dyno sheet. I would also likely be looking for some more info in a PPI relating to engine health.
But to be plain about it.. I'd probably just spend whatever money I had on a 997.2 in either case. Unless the 997.1 was going to be around $30k then I can see how it would make sense if all else was good.
But to be plain about it.. I'd probably just spend whatever money I had on a 997.2 in either case. Unless the 997.1 was going to be around $30k then I can see how it would make sense if all else was good.
08-19-2019, 12:23 PM
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With the premium between the 997.1S and 997.2S right now it almost pays for a rebuild. The 997.2S cars are crossing over into 997.1TT territory. As much as i like the 997.2S, I don't think I could turn down a 997.1TT with reasonable miles in the same $$ ballpark.
08-19-2019, 12:30 PM
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08-19-2019, 12:46 PM
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08-20-2019, 05:14 PM
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08-20-2019, 05:48 PM
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Three Wheelin'
So, based on my previous comment, if when I was shopping for a 997 C2S specifically, if I came across a Raby/Flat 6 4.0 performer or track performer motor, and if it was properly cared for and documented, depending on the details, YES, I would pay a premium.
I researched 997.1 M97 motors quite a bit before pulling the trigger on a 911. There are a lot of builders out here in So. Cal I would also consider (quality/time/logistics/cost...) if my motor needed rebuilding but from my research, Flat6 has it so well figured that even in CA, I could load up my entire car, ship it to them, and get my car back with a built 4.0 that gets wildly positive reviews. That is hard to beat. This is especially the case after I had a broken wrist all winter and just took Lyft to and from work + my wife would give me rides here and there. After 4 months or so of not driving, I realized it isn't a huge issue. The last time I had a major engine tear down and rebuild, I shipped the turbo, the trans., and the motor to all different states but to companies that all had the logistics well figured out and it was shockingly easy as well, I just had no previous experience of shipping big heavy stuff. In that situation, I had a Civic as a daily during the process, so getting around wasn't an issue.
I researched 997.1 M97 motors quite a bit before pulling the trigger on a 911. There are a lot of builders out here in So. Cal I would also consider (quality/time/logistics/cost...) if my motor needed rebuilding but from my research, Flat6 has it so well figured that even in CA, I could load up my entire car, ship it to them, and get my car back with a built 4.0 that gets wildly positive reviews. That is hard to beat. This is especially the case after I had a broken wrist all winter and just took Lyft to and from work + my wife would give me rides here and there. After 4 months or so of not driving, I realized it isn't a huge issue. The last time I had a major engine tear down and rebuild, I shipped the turbo, the trans., and the motor to all different states but to companies that all had the logistics well figured out and it was shockingly easy as well, I just had no previous experience of shipping big heavy stuff. In that situation, I had a Civic as a daily during the process, so getting around wasn't an issue.
08-20-2019, 06:28 PM
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Drifting
Lots of good rebuilders out there, Flat 6 just happens to be the best known.
997.2's are not without bore scoring problems either so if that is really the $$ spread between .1 and .2 then I would 100% go with the turbo and be done with all the bore scoring potential BS. Obviously I am biased having been through the horror show but I would never buy another NA 997.1 or .2 unless it was rebuilt. Otherwise would go turbo if I stayed with the 997.
