Advice on my first Porsche
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#34
@@escimages - go for it!!! I can't speak for the car you linked because I wasn't able to find the milage. But wether that car or another, if you do your homework and are comfortable picking up a wrench, 997 ownership can be more affordable than a dodge minivan. I put 25k miles on my car and can sell it for more than I paid for it. Not many cars you can say that about.
I would look for low mile base model 997.1s or higher mile base 997.2s. You get 99.5% of the car for $10k less than the S. You just need to put Eibach springs on them ($350) to give them a more aggressive drop like the S.
If you search my profile you will find a writeup I did on my first year cost of ownership. The conclusion: if you are a DIY guy or willing to learn the maintenance on these cars is very inexpensive. If you are not, I would caution against it. It will cost you $150 to replace a part yourself or $3k to have the dealer do it.
I would look for low mile base model 997.1s or higher mile base 997.2s. You get 99.5% of the car for $10k less than the S. You just need to put Eibach springs on them ($350) to give them a more aggressive drop like the S.
If you search my profile you will find a writeup I did on my first year cost of ownership. The conclusion: if you are a DIY guy or willing to learn the maintenance on these cars is very inexpensive. If you are not, I would caution against it. It will cost you $150 to replace a part yourself or $3k to have the dealer do it.
Last edited by TheBruce; 12-27-2018 at 01:41 PM.
#36
Hey Everyone,
I've been lurking here for a bit, and thought I should ask advice on a possible purchase. I've never owned a Porsche, but have always wanted one. I went on the factory tour in Stuttgart a few years ago, which only made me want one more (no surprise there). To be totally honest, at this point I'm at the low end of the market for 997's (> $35K) and I'm wondering what I might be getting myself into at that price-point for a car like this. I've owned a couple BMW's that have been fairly costly to maintain, but I keep on top of things and can do very basic jobs myself.
I've attached a link to the car I'm considering. I've test-driven it and spoken to the mechanic who has serviced it since 2013 (and last serviced it in Sept). He gave it a clean bill of health, and specifically said the IMS wasn't a concern on this car. It's a 2-owner C2S w/about 70K miles.
https://www.sftoyota.com/used/Porsch...vdp-recentCars
Any thoughts are appreciated. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!
I've been lurking here for a bit, and thought I should ask advice on a possible purchase. I've never owned a Porsche, but have always wanted one. I went on the factory tour in Stuttgart a few years ago, which only made me want one more (no surprise there). To be totally honest, at this point I'm at the low end of the market for 997's (> $35K) and I'm wondering what I might be getting myself into at that price-point for a car like this. I've owned a couple BMW's that have been fairly costly to maintain, but I keep on top of things and can do very basic jobs myself.
I've attached a link to the car I'm considering. I've test-driven it and spoken to the mechanic who has serviced it since 2013 (and last serviced it in Sept). He gave it a clean bill of health, and specifically said the IMS wasn't a concern on this car. It's a 2-owner C2S w/about 70K miles.
https://www.sftoyota.com/used/Porsch...vdp-recentCars
Any thoughts are appreciated. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!
Seems like a real chore to figure out exactly when they went from the smaller, somewhat fragile bearing to the larger one which is sturdier but still isn't fail proof. Since you've indicated you're on a budget, a blown IMS will turn your $35K 997 into a $7K-$8K roller unless you're ready and willing to pour another $25K or more into a new or rebuilt engine.
So again, since you're concerned about expenses I think it's critical that you find out what the story is on the IMS.
#38
Ever consider a well-sorted 996 from an enthusiast owner as first Porsche for less money? There’s plenty of them out there. Pick up one in the $20k range that’s had the IMS, clutch and RMS addressed and you could get started learning this car whilst keeping budget in line.
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Just to give you an idea of another person that was in your shoes a year ago- I bought a 2006 C2S at exactly the same price as asking with 20,000 more miles, but it was a more expensive build ~$97k. Nicer (IMO) rims, I don't like the lobster forks. My car has full leather, fully clear-bra'd (is that a word?) and carbon fiber trim, probably aftermarket, not sure. I didn't have the nice seats (or even heated seats) though- on the plus side, the previous owner was a smallish person so there are no creases in the seats. Clutch replaced at 60k. As a 2006, I've got the heavier duty IMS but it's not easily replaceable. Given all of this, $33k seems to be in the ballpark to me, but maybe $31k seems more fair. They're not likely to drop a ton off the price as the market for any 911 in the bay area is pretty strong.
I've driven it about 3000 miles this year, and took it in for its first service here in the bay area. Oil service, PPI, headlight adjustment came to about $400 (~140 for headlight adjustment?!?). otherwise car came back with a clean bill of health. I'd say i did it wrong and did my "PPI" after I had already bought it but I did buy it from a mechanic at a respected Porsche repair shop who took me over the car on a lift for more than an hour as well as hooked the car up to diagnostics and talked me through all the stuff in there. Both the previous owner/mechanic and my new/local mechanic and a lot of talk on these forums say don't worry too much about the IMS in these updated 997s. I don't drive it daily so every time I get in the car, it's a special experience.
I've driven it about 3000 miles this year, and took it in for its first service here in the bay area. Oil service, PPI, headlight adjustment came to about $400 (~140 for headlight adjustment?!?). otherwise car came back with a clean bill of health. I'd say i did it wrong and did my "PPI" after I had already bought it but I did buy it from a mechanic at a respected Porsche repair shop who took me over the car on a lift for more than an hour as well as hooked the car up to diagnostics and talked me through all the stuff in there. Both the previous owner/mechanic and my new/local mechanic and a lot of talk on these forums say don't worry too much about the IMS in these updated 997s. I don't drive it daily so every time I get in the car, it's a special experience.
#41
Ever consider a well-sorted 996 from an enthusiast owner as first Porsche for less money? There’s plenty of them out there. Pick up one in the $20k range that’s had the IMS, clutch and RMS addressed and you could get started learning this car whilst keeping budget in line.
#43
OP, Not a big difference between S and base if not tracking. I would rather wait and stretch budget a bit to get something like this. Super clean and low miles...Offer $35k
https://www.napletonporscherockford....91471c5709.htm
https://www.napletonporscherockford....91471c5709.htm
#44
That is a nice, low mileage example. I would like to do a bit of tracking with whatever I get next.
In my continuing search I just drove this: https://www.porschesouthbay.com/inve...aa2a82bu760962
2011 Cayman (base) w/ 53K miles and nice options: sport seats, sport chrono, sport exhaust, LSD, and more. This dealer is willing to negotiate, and I think I could get it OTD for under $30K. It drives great, but it's no Carrera S. My guess is it would be cheaper to maintain (newer car, smaller engine), but I don't know if that is enough to make the cost difference worth it.
In my continuing search I just drove this: https://www.porschesouthbay.com/inve...aa2a82bu760962
2011 Cayman (base) w/ 53K miles and nice options: sport seats, sport chrono, sport exhaust, LSD, and more. This dealer is willing to negotiate, and I think I could get it OTD for under $30K. It drives great, but it's no Carrera S. My guess is it would be cheaper to maintain (newer car, smaller engine), but I don't know if that is enough to make the cost difference worth it.
#45
Seems like a decent deal on the Cayman. It could be a good starting point, and likely a cheaper proposition to own if the plan is to keep it for a year or two and then upgrade to a 997.2. 987.2 prices are likely to be stronger than 997.1 prices as far as depreciation. I'd imagine minimal costs and no risk of serious mechanical failure on the 987.2 linked above, different than a 997.1 in that way. I haven't owned a 997.1 so I can't speak to how one feels to drive or daily in comparison to a 997.2 or 987.2.
As to the question of "worth it" thats completely individual, not something someone else can tell you. For me, owning both 987.2 and 997.2 currently, I'd want to wait and get a 911. Which is what I did, figured out I wanted a 911 a 5 years ago and bought a different car completely until I could get a 911, instead of getting a lesser 911 or a Cayman in the meantime. For me a Cayman is far from being good enough to satisfy my driving desire for a 911. Its personal though so you'll have to decide as nobody on the forum can tell ya.
As to the question of "worth it" thats completely individual, not something someone else can tell you. For me, owning both 987.2 and 997.2 currently, I'd want to wait and get a 911. Which is what I did, figured out I wanted a 911 a 5 years ago and bought a different car completely until I could get a 911, instead of getting a lesser 911 or a Cayman in the meantime. For me a Cayman is far from being good enough to satisfy my driving desire for a 911. Its personal though so you'll have to decide as nobody on the forum can tell ya.