shekmark

I was looking at my car value on CarGurus and there is a 6K difference between manual and PDK, with PDK being higher. Six grand!! All I read on Reenlist is how hard it is to find a manual 977 , and people willing to pay more for it. Can anyone explain why?

raidersfan

Most dealers will have an easier time and a larger market for a PDK-equipped car. My C2S PDK sold in a flash over on the PCA site, whereas I had zero interest here. Different (older) crowd with different priorities. I can imagine most mainstream dealers are in the same boat. Specialty dealers who work primarily with enthusiasts will always value cars differently, but I can see a Ford dealer taking a 997.2 6MT in on trade and think to himself "this is going to be hard to find a home for!"

C4SDayton

I spent months shopping for a 997.1 and manuals were much closer or more expensive than Tips. I suppose the PDK is enough better of an auto than the Tip to have some real premium. After extensive shopping, the thing I noticed most as a premium, options being equal, was not having a gray or beige interior and not having black, silver, gray exterior. If I get a new Porsche in the future, which is questionable with current styling, I'd go for a brown interior, or black and chalk, and pay up for more unique color or PTS.

Skwerl

You're comparing the PDK cars with .2 6mts, right? A .1 6mt would be cheaper because it's older and the .2 upgrades were pretty good.

Balr14

The views expressed on Rennlist are not representative of real world views. Manual transmissions are hard to find because 80% of buyers opt for the PDK. It's a much better transmission.

sandwedge

This is the best forum I know of in terms of getting excellent information on Porsches of any year or model. Just keep in mind that this is a crowd heavily in favor of manual transmissions compared to the market in general so when the discussion goes into manual, TIP or PDK, I don't believe the majority opinion here is a good representation of the actual market place. A friend of mine works in sales at the local Porsche dealer and he has told me more than once that ever since the PDK was introduced in 2009, PDK sales have been about 80% vs. 20% of manuals. That should give you the answer to why PDK cars are priced higher. It's about a $4,000 option and the preferred transmission by a large percentage of Porsche buyers. No reason why it should be cheaper than a manual.

All that said, the manual market is getting smaller and smaller so manual cars are getting harder to find which for the right car and a number of die hard manual buyers looking at the same car can drive up the price.

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f911

What he says is accurate and very correct.
This is also true for older models 997.1 manual versus TIP S.
However, this is less true for older models that most of the cars manufactured and sold in the past were manual 993/964 / SC etc.

Looking ahead, most of the population is driving 2-pedal cars.

Also in the area I live in (lots of traffic jams and 95% of the AUTO vehicles) and in other areas such as China / England, Porsche 997.1 TIP S and 997.2 / 991 PDK costs more than MANUAL.

I have no doubt that if I were to buy 993 or older air cooler, I would only buy MANUAL. This is because, *** in those years ***, the manual transmission systems are on top hands. Thus, the manual value of these vehicles will always be higher.

However, as soon as the improved automatic systems entered, according to the price of Porsche, this is about the beginning of MB TIP S / PDK 997. The equation reversed, and as a result, demand and supply changed.

It is important to remember that most people in the world do not buy their porsche in anticipation that the price will rise.

And here I am, enthusiast Porsche I bought my Porsche for pleasure, I do not care if in 20 years my car will be worth a few more pennies if it is manual or PDK or TIP S. I buy my Porsche for driving! And lots

shekmark

Lots of good thoughts here. I think Sandwedge hit it though, outside of Reenlist, Auto is more popular.

C4SDayton

PDK may be 80% of sales, but that may reflect who is spending 100-200k on new Porsches. Many are older, because like many luxury car sales, they go to those with money. And leased cars are probably even more likely autos. If easier in traffic and a couple or few seconds faster on track is better, than PDK is a better option for those buyers. For those who enjoy manual, it is better. An auto is better for first time drivers with no experience, press to go and press to stop, safer for those around them. I have gotten autos for my first 3 kids at age 16. They may never get themselves a manual, and they will never know better. I have found it pretty easy to sell manuals for models that are mostly auto, maybe because those that want a manual will go further to get it by necessity.

Austin997.2

Exactly, younger buyers probably use it as a daily driver because they only have one car and older buyers probably have it as a second car and don't have to Daily drive the manual Porsche.

Balr14

I have driven manual transmissions since 1959. My daily driver has a 5 speed manual transmission. All of my kids were taught to drive on manual transmissions and so were 3 of my grandchildren (so far). All of my family members originally had cars with manual transmissions, but currently only 3 still do (out of 14 drivers). While what you say certainly has some truth to it, you overlook the fact modern automatic transmissions are simply better (more gears, faster shifts, better fuel economy, no drive line shock).

C4SDayton

Cannot disagree modern autos are not faster shifting and more efficient and get significantly better mileage. That is better by those metrics. My wife's 9 speed auto and my last car's 7 speed DCT are terrific for eating miles efficiently. The cars I think about having, have had, or do have, like 930, Viper, S2000, old NSX, Miata, or R8, to name a few, just seem or would seem soulless with an auto, no matter how good. Thankfully, some never offered an auto. If I had 2-3 Porsches I would like one auto included.