Looking at 2005 997 with 106k
11-24-2018, 11:28 AM
#16
A Porsche dealer will rarely sell a car like this. Every now and then they decide to do it and see if they can move it quickly. My guess is they gave about 19k in trade and just want to move it. With IMS and good PPI I don't see many negatives here.
11-24-2018, 11:33 AM
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I'd also have them replace the water pump and thermostat $300 unless you have service record of that work being done.
Don't let the worry warts on this forum scare you away from a nice 997.1 - Just make sure you have good PPI performed at another shop other than dealer you are buying from.
I purchased a 2005 997S last year and great car. I stepped up to a 2007 C4S earlier this year and couldn't be happier with it.
11-24-2018, 12:03 PM
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Have you considered Cayman or Boxster? You can get a lot of car there for the money. Initially I was thinking I'd start with a Cayman S (I'm not a convertible guy) for a first Porsche. Didn't work out that way but they're very nice. There's a ton of lower-mileage cars out there, especially Boxsters.
Last edited by swingwing; 11-24-2018 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Added wording.
11-24-2018, 02:05 PM
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This is well within my budget and not my first choice. I am a DIY mechanic and can knock out most of the maintenance. I am still looking for a 2009 911S since that is my first choice. The dealer told me about this recent trade in. When I asked about the IMS issue the salesman said they would change it. I will believe it when I see it. Just wanted to get some feedback since this will be my first Porsche. I am looking to stay under $42k. I am still thinking about it and would have the other issues looked at if I buy. I appreciate all the great comments. Keep them coming and I will continue to do my homework. I currently have a Shelby GT350.
11-24-2018, 02:06 PM
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Have you considered Cayman or Boxster? You can get a lot of car there for the money. Initially I was thinking I'd start with a Cayman S (I'm not a convertible guy) for a first Porsche. Didn't work out that way but they're very nice. There's a ton of lower-mileage cars out there, especially Boxsters.
I am not a convertible guy.
11-24-2018, 02:10 PM
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OP, what is your budget? Are you able to do DIY or will you have to pay for service and repairs? At the very least I'd ask for a printout of service and repairs done in the Porsche system. PPI would need to be done by a third party. Look closely at the cosmetics - front end rash, windshield, driver's seat and more.
I'm one year and 5k miles into ownership of my '09 base Carrera 6MT, bought from second owner at 35k miles for $42k. While waiting for buyer of my last BMW I spent months of looking and researching. Went through a lot of hand-wringing over the usual suspects like IMS, S/non S, Tiptronic/PDK. My preference has always been to buy from an enthusiast owner so I never set foot in a dealership. The car I found (went from Texas to Florida to get it) suits me to a T and I'm very happy with decision to seek a 997.2. Great features and loads of performance.
I'm one year and 5k miles into ownership of my '09 base Carrera 6MT, bought from second owner at 35k miles for $42k. While waiting for buyer of my last BMW I spent months of looking and researching. Went through a lot of hand-wringing over the usual suspects like IMS, S/non S, Tiptronic/PDK. My preference has always been to buy from an enthusiast owner so I never set foot in a dealership. The car I found (went from Texas to Florida to get it) suits me to a T and I'm very happy with decision to seek a 997.2. Great features and loads of performance.
11-24-2018, 02:22 PM
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I recently bought a 997.1S for under 40k. I have little concern for the IMS and feel like I got a great car for the price of entry. I have every option I wanted plus a few bonuses. Don't discount the M97 motor, it is not bullet proof, but if you don't plan to track it the motor is very sweet.
11-24-2018, 02:34 PM
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If you currently have a Shelby GT350 and I'm assuming you mean the current model, not the one from the 60s, what are you expecting to get from a 997.1? If you are used to current V8 muscle cars, performance will be disappointing.... it's quite an adjustment.
11-24-2018, 02:55 PM
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Miles of smiles from both cars
11-24-2018, 05:33 PM
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11-26-2018, 11:26 AM
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From LN Engineering (one of our suppliers): https://lnengineering.com/news/engin...man-911-model/
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11-26-2018, 08:56 PM
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Make sure the IMS is serviceable on the engine in the car. While 2005 should be a serviceable year, if the engine was replaced (which can be easily checked by looking at the engine number), there is a chance you have a non-serviceable unit (later engines require splitting of the case halves which is basically a total rebuild!).
From LN Engineering (one of our suppliers): https://lnengineering.com/news/engin...man-911-model/
From LN Engineering (one of our suppliers): https://lnengineering.com/news/engin...man-911-model/
11-27-2018, 10:11 PM
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^^^When my 2007 C4S went in for clutch and RMS 3 weeks ago, my indy pulled the IMS shaft/inspected it and looked in excellent condition, resealed shaft and also removed the rear seal on the bearing which is recommended for more oil flow into bearing.
*From Jake Raby's post couple years ago:
"The M97 engines have now been in service for over 8 years. The IMSB failures that we see 8 years in with these engines barely registers on the scale with what we saw at 8 years, or even 6 years time in service with the M96 engines. Back in those days we were the only guys researching the IMSB failure and developing fixes for it and comparing the figures today tells us the story."
*From Jake Raby's post couple years ago:
"The M97 engines have now been in service for over 8 years. The IMSB failures that we see 8 years in with these engines barely registers on the scale with what we saw at 8 years, or even 6 years time in service with the M96 engines. Back in those days we were the only guys researching the IMSB failure and developing fixes for it and comparing the figures today tells us the story."