997 owners - does this 991 make me look fat?
#31
The natural upgrade for me would be either a 997 GT3 , probably wouldn’t go that way just due to wanting something different as far as a body, a 981 GT4, very likely, or a 991.2 GT3, but not likely due to price. A 991 GT3 would be perfect for me but the oiling issues/finger follower issues would scare me too much. They have a 10 year warranty but by the time I was buying one I would only have 2 years left.
#32
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Originally Posted by Petza914
Not me. Keeping the 2 997s I have forever.
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#33
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The natural upgrade for me would be either a 997 GT3 , probably wouldn’t go that way just due to wanting something different as far as a body, a 981 GT4, very likely, or a 991.2 GT3, but not likely due to price. A 991 GT3 would be perfect for me but the oiling issues/finger follower issues would scare me too much. They have a 10 year warranty but by the time I was buying one I would only have 2 years left.
#34
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That seems to be a legit and fair deal for that car.
I have driven a 991, it is an amazing car for sure, and I wouldn't count the right one out of my search, but I did shift focus to the 997. As a comfortable touring car with a more modern interior the 991 is certainly an evolved car. But as mentioned above, down the road the gadgetry in the car will become just as dated as the 997 is now, and when that happens, I think the 997 will emerge as the best modern "classic" 911 generation. Considering 991 models are already falling into range of 997.2 models, and clearly can't be done depreciating yet, I do think desirable 997 models will shortly be worth more than average 991 within a year, or less. Especially once the 992 comes out and the 991 generation isn't "current" any more, it will take another drop.
See this photo I took checking out a used 997 at a dealer. On paper the 991 seems ever so slightly larger, but side by side the 997 looks so much smaller, I think in a good way. The biggest difference is how crazy high the rear bumper comes on the 991 once you know to look at it.
I have driven a 991, it is an amazing car for sure, and I wouldn't count the right one out of my search, but I did shift focus to the 997. As a comfortable touring car with a more modern interior the 991 is certainly an evolved car. But as mentioned above, down the road the gadgetry in the car will become just as dated as the 997 is now, and when that happens, I think the 997 will emerge as the best modern "classic" 911 generation. Considering 991 models are already falling into range of 997.2 models, and clearly can't be done depreciating yet, I do think desirable 997 models will shortly be worth more than average 991 within a year, or less. Especially once the 992 comes out and the 991 generation isn't "current" any more, it will take another drop.
See this photo I took checking out a used 997 at a dealer. On paper the 991 seems ever so slightly larger, but side by side the 997 looks so much smaller, I think in a good way. The biggest difference is how crazy high the rear bumper comes on the 991 once you know to look at it.
#35
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What brought me to Porsche was driving a 1984 Carrera. That steering feel (no power steering) and feedback was amazing. I had heard about it however you need to experience it to understand. The 993 had it and the 997 has it. If the 991 has lost the feel, they lose me. Porsche has developed the car where you just step on the throttle and steer. Driver involvement is removed. However, I bought my 997 from a 68 year old gentleman. As I age (my 1984 Carrera killed me with noise and ride by age 40) I may actually want the 991 with a PDK. Younger guys- enjoy your 30’s
#38
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The front of the 991s look nice - it's the rear that's the killer, like a giant put his lips on the exhaust pipes and blew, puffing it up - too high, too bloated, etc . Also not fond of the exhaust tip placement and prefer fully out to both sides (997s and everything before it) or straight up the center (like the GT3), but not the 2 pipes that divide the rear lower valence into 1/3rds.
#39
My biggest obstacle is that I waited a long time to find a great factory Aero car. I just love the 997S Aero Kit look. If I wanted to find that in a 991 it is VERY hard to find and I'd go from a 37k dollar car that I have to probably a 70K dollar car at a minimum. Thats definitely not the same price category of car and I'd then have to re-evaluate what other car I'd have to ditch to afford it, lol
Mike
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#40
I've always thought the 991 rear-end looked bloated. The stark contrast with a 997 amplifies that.
I wasn't a fan of it before, but I'm genuinely disappointed by it now.
I wasn't a fan of it before, but I'm genuinely disappointed by it now.
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#44
The 991 looks like a 911..that died, and was then pushed into a lake for a week or two before its bloated carcass was drug out.
Not my cup of tea. Sad days ahead for the used 911 market going forward. Judging by pics of the newest model, it's only getting worse.
#45
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Agree, that's the biggest offense of the 991 design for me. A major component of the classic 911 shape is that tail that quickly falls away from the roof and tucks neatly at the rear. As the car has evolved through the watercooled years, the tail and rear bumper have been fattened up higher towards the roof line, giving it a less pronounced sweep. As a result I think the lines of the 991 are creeping into Aston Martin/Jaguar territory and losing some distinctiveness.