Notices
997 Forum 2005-2012
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Thoughts on this DME report?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-18-2018, 06:42 PM
  #1  
SlickOne
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
SlickOne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: East Coast
Posts: 545
Received 47 Likes on 34 Posts
Default Thoughts on this DME report?

I’m considering an 06’ C2S with 64,000 miles on it. What do you guys think of the report?

The seller told me the overrevs were from earlier in the cars life.

Old 03-18-2018, 07:05 PM
  #2  
j beede
Racer
 
j beede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: NorCal
Posts: 484
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Can you say "stretched connecting rods"?

Seriously, it looks like a down shift or bad data from about 18,000 miles back. 51 ignitions is 17 crank rotations which is a fraction of a second in ranges 4 and 5. Conventional thinking is that damage from overrevs shows up shortly after the event. 18,000 miles should be plenty to reveal an overrev induced problem.

Some naughty driver spent some time at or just above the redline about 2,000 miles ago. I think Dr. Porsche would approve

Last edited by j beede; 03-19-2018 at 10:06 AM.
Old 03-19-2018, 07:41 AM
  #3  
Petza914
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Petza914's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Clemson, SC
Posts: 25,298
Received 6,160 Likes on 3,925 Posts
Default

That car had been driven pretty hard regularly from the more recent range 1s, 2s, and 3s, and numbers of them, possibly at some track days, not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that. Would I personally buy that particular car, no, probably not with so many to choose from.
Old 03-19-2018, 02:21 PM
  #4  
Skwerl
Drifting
 
Skwerl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 2,352
Received 303 Likes on 185 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by j beede
I think Dr. Porsche would approve
No, I'm 99% sure Dr. Porsche would want fans of his cars to wring their hands endlessly about whether they may have been driven enthusiastically a few times, and would advise you only buy ones used to pootle to the grocery store twice a week.
Old 03-19-2018, 02:22 PM
  #5  
jeffleept
Rennlist Member
 
jeffleept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 190
Received 21 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Car definitely wasn't babied given the 1 and 2 total counts.
Range 4 and 5 ignitions less than 500 operating hours ago, I'd walk. There are plenty of 997's out there if you are pateint.
Old 03-19-2018, 02:31 PM
  #6  
Skwerl
Drifting
 
Skwerl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 2,352
Received 303 Likes on 185 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jeffleept
Range 4 and 5 ignitions less than 500 operating hours ago, I'd walk.
Have you heard of cars breaking due to over revs 300 hours later?
Old 03-19-2018, 03:13 PM
  #7  
jeffleept
Rennlist Member
 
jeffleept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 190
Received 21 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Skwerl
Have you heard of cars breaking due to over revs 300 hours later?
No, but in my limited experience seeing these things, the picky individuals I associate with tend to shy away from the potential to have problems. So they simply don't purchase cars with recent (recent is a relative term) high-range overrevs.

200 hours is the 'accepted' danger zone. This is a guideline that many people use:
http://www.911virgin.com/porsche/rev-range-information/
Old 03-19-2018, 04:08 PM
  #8  
j beede
Racer
 
j beede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: NorCal
Posts: 484
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

A total of 51 range 4 + 5 ignitions = 17 crank rotations. At ~7900 RPM that's about an eighth of a second. If any valve hit any piston or a cam chain stretched I think 500 hours would be more than enough time for that damage to show itself.

Range 5 is wider than ranges 1/2/3/4. A range 5 overrev could mean 8400 RPM or it could mean 9500--assuming 911virgin's chart is correct. In any case, two range 5 ignitions seems to be an unusual number to be stored. That's less than one crankshaft revolution. How could you spin the crank up to 9000 or 9500 RPM and get it back down below 8400 again before completing one complete revolution? Something is odd here. My guess is that this is bad data stored or the excursion into range 5 was shallow and brief for the 997 being considered.
Old 03-19-2018, 05:22 PM
  #9  
b0rderman
Advanced
 
b0rderman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Delray Beach, FL
Posts: 70
Received 21 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

If everything else about the car thrilled me, then I would buy it and enjoy.
Old 03-20-2018, 02:37 AM
  #10  
Jeffblak
Advanced
 
Jeffblak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I like to think about this data in familiar terms so you can get a real world feel for how the car was driven. The exact time spent in each rev range is dependent on the actual RPM it was recorded at, but if you average everything to 7200 RPM than 1 second = 360 ignitions. So in the first 1558 hours of operation the subject car spent:

Rev range 1 = 33 seconds
Rev range 2 = 4 seconds
Rev range 3 = 1/2 second
Rev range 4 = 1/8th second
Rev range 5 = less than 1 revolution

Range 1 and 2 are pre-limiter, but the duration of time spent there was not accumulated from missed shifts, its from spirited driving. And though 37 seconds seems like a long time when thought of as happening in a single instance, when put in the context of about 1/2 second per thousand miles driven it seems more reasonable. I would think the 3,4,5 hits may be a single missed downshift, and to me (in this case) are less indicative of the cars use than the range 1,2 records. Another piece of info you can get from this is dividing the total miles by the total time, which in this case gives you an average speed of 39 mph over the life of the car. I hope this helps with your decision.




Quick Reply: Thoughts on this DME report?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:08 AM.