f911

Great times of Tiptronic S compared to PDK!
And, All these tests are performed in D mode with professional drivers

Doug H

Lol, been a nationally certified driving instructor for Porsche since 90s, if that's what we used to call it back then, and I instructed at Barber for their Porsche Driving Experience/School and drove just about every version of what they had in Barber and Road Atlanta at one time or another up to about 2008. I have driven tiptronic cars on track and off ranging from 964s through 997tts.

Since tiptronics have been around, I have purchased new an 89 turbo, 91 turbo, 94 3.6 turbo, 2 993 tts, 3 996 tts, 997.1 tt and a 997.2 tt, most of which were special ordered and not one of them were a tiptronic, but the .2 was pdk.

I have also had a dozen or so NA 911s, none of which were tiptronic, but the vast majority of my post 09 cars have been pdk including wife's Macan S.

The only Porsches I have owned with a tiptronic were Cayennes. I would not personally buy any 911 with a tiptronic, but I like the pdk.

f911

An impressive track record !! Nice to meet you
But also tiptronic has undergone evolution with the years ...
Also the tiptronic's computer has changed ..
Right. This is personal preference. Like those who prefer PDK over a manual transmission system.
But you can not say better or worse..

By the way, you are registering that you prefer PDK than tiptronic s on 911.

Clear! This is a new and faster transmission system.

If I had the option, I would also buy GTS 2011 PDK or GT3 991.1 PDK.

But, the idea remains the same idea (two hands on the steering wheel, 2 pedals, control is the steering wheel, no gear shaft, the focus on driving and Also, both have D and M modes).

(True, mechanically, there is a difference. But it has to do with the technology of the years)

In terms of track times, there are no differences between the tiptronic s and the manual transmission system.
In the end. It depends on the driver!

frankyluis23

I was not bashing the Tiptronic... I meant everything I wrote about the Tiptronic and to be fair I wrote those things not really knowing how the PDK would perform on a daily basis. Now that I own a PDK Cayman (2.7 liter), I can basically confirm that the Tiptronic transmission limits the performance capabilities of the 3.8 litter flat six. Now that I know both sides of the spectrum, I can make a clear and educated assessment on the subject.

f911

Congratulations frankyluis23

The PDK is installed in newer DFI engines. More efficient engines. Therefore, it is impossible to compare PDK and TIPTRONIC S in terms of "performance capabilities".
Clearly PDK is faster and stronger. Also the DFI 3.8 engine is stronger.
In terms of "performance capabilities" there is no difference at all between 997.1 tiptronic s and 997.1 manual
About times - Differences of tenths of a second, see what I wrote above.

TECNO

I understand where you are coming from Franky. I removed my comments as they may have not been fair and for sure didnt add any substance to this thread.

WhipE350

Let me correct my poorly stated reply (way back at the beginning of thread ). My understanding is the Tip on a 997.1 C2S is about half a second slower 0-60. On the turbo not the case I understood.

That really was my only point, just wasn't very clear. As for all the other goodies you mention, all fun conversation. I would drive either, right now I'm restricted to Tip, physical reasons...but I do enjoy two hands on the wheel. When tracking my Boxsters I never got very good at heal-toe, just never took the time to learn.

Tip on and prosper!

Petza914

Yup, this thread went just where the last one did, with f911 singing the praises and defending his Tip to the ends of the earth, and pretty much ignoring the quantitative data provided by anyone else.

Thanks for posting the actual statistics for the non S and S cars of both 997 generations - they show an even greater disparity than I recalled of more like half a second and that's more like what my Cayenne shift speed feels like even when controlling it manually.

Doug H

Lol, hp is hp and torque is torque whether the engine is DFI or M96/97.

Tiptronic has a torque converter and suffers from limitations inherent with torque converters such as some power bleeding and some hesitation in shifting. Some of this can be made up in gearing.

If tiptronic was faster than manual, Porsche would have installed them in the GT3s. Normally aspirated Tiptronic cars have always felt lethargic to me.

f911

In the past, before pdk, did not discredit the system of gears tip s. Although even then, there was a 997s tip s and a manual transmission system.
A little respect. Still - 911 - and Porsche knows what they are doing.

Read the post:
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https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/173405-tiptronic-in-gt3-can-it-be-done.html

wjk_glynn

In absolute terms, the 355 HP 3.8L Carrera S w/Tiptronic is a fast car - no question about that.

However, per Porsche, that car is slower than a 321 HP 3.6L base Carrera with a 6MT:

• Both time-to-speed and time-to-distance measurements
• And intermediate times (e.g. 100 kph to 160 kph)

So in terms of straight line accelerative grunt, including a Tiptronic transmission effectively removes 35-40 hp from that 3.8L engine.

f911

Right. But, take a look at the other side. 997.2 pdk is more powerful (30 hp) more technologically advanced and more lightweight and the difference is not significant.
In other words: in terms of Porsche, Tiptronic s 997.1 is considered to be fast in relation to time 2005-2008.

captainbaker

Im going to disagree with you on one point. Used MT cars are carrying a higher ask price than Tip cars.

Tip VS MT is a personal choice depending on what your needs, wants are.

WhipE350

Maybe not...not sure if you saw this thread I did. https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...be-a-myth.html

911-997

yeah..I totally agree on your analysis. I pretty much think people who are not interested in purchasing Tip is mostly on this forum. Lots of people would only buy Tiptronic or ODK Porsche..