Ultimate Motorwerks Rear Wing Lift Cylinder Repair Kit
05-31-2017, 11:39 AM
#76
Three Wheelin'
One big misunderstanding here is "street legal speeds" Where my car was born the rear spoiler IS a requirement at street legal speeds and the manual states it.. Go Kevin, I like my hydraulics and they like me. I will maintain mine in a fully functional manner as min as I have the car.
05-31-2017, 08:26 PM
#77
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Sometimes post count and knowledge go hand and hand, and you do get the occasional mass poster who knows his stuff and who is extremely generous with his or her time in helping out others. I have already encountered several people like that on this board. Most people like this are careful to clarify what it is that they know for a fact, and what is questionable, but which they are repeating for the sake of completeness. That sort of posting demeanor helps me in separating out who actually has a handle on what they know, and what they don't know, essential in separating out the credible, from the rest.
this crew here and the car itself is as "rough and tumble" as any porsche or forum the interwebs has ever produced ha.. just don't try to say shift **** lol
so personally i think you're taking some "new guy flack" if you must know the truth.. as every post ( and poster ) i've read so far, was in fact proffered by the "mass posters" to whom you've made reference, that are indeed continually sharing their knowledge and experience in an effort to assist.. ( some just tend to repeat themselves
but i am sure no genuine rancor or ill will toward you is intended, or even exists... every one of these people will "help" you here as you continue down this slippery slope ( modded,.. or not! )...but back to the spoiler for a moment..
all of that said, you'd be hard pressed to successfully make any argument at all, that porsche's retractable spoiler is not a critical component of the cars design, intended to maximize downforce when necessary with velocities measured in equations involving "aerodynamic coefficients", and that it deploys when porsche believes it should. it is by no means, a "gimmick"..
and yet, the idiosyncratic and often inconsistent operability of this particular unit, afforded by it's rube goldberg award winning design, existing as it does, only i would imagine because as a true "gt" car, built and designed primarily for street use, many of the cars initial buyers and original targeted segment of the market would have been put off and even look askance at the enormity of a fixed wing eg gt2/3. bankers/lawyers and doctors bought these initially, and let's face it, fixed wings are not "subtle" ..
hence, the continuation of the "retractable" spoiler ( one that was quite an oddity, way back when in '93 on my c2-964 ( my first with a movable wing.. though that one was electrically operated and had no hydraulics to fail! )..
lastly, please don't for a minute believe that these cannot either be "maintained" in full working order ( as i have on this current car, with "two re-bleeds" with miles now exceeding 145k, and still with flawless drip free spoiler functionality. or by (b) availing oneself of kevin's new offering which would probably be best for most everyone that doesn't want to mess with the "oem" functionality ( remember kevin?! lol ) or even (c) dave's rennkit fantastic replacement "solution" which offers improvements ( to my eye ) over the original oem setup!
.. and then there's the E-bay 150 bag 'o bolts
"on special" today! mailed right from my garage, and in the original UN used box LOLso,...hang in there. but you'll still have to wait until next spring, to not be one of the "new guys" any longer lol
05-31-2017, 08:50 PM
#78
05-31-2017, 08:56 PM
#79
Here is how you could have replied in this thread, and have sold more of your product (which I have every reason to believe is a good product, by the way).
You could be civil. You could acknowledge that you are selling something, and that this perhaps is not an altruistic endeavor.
But from what I have seen, I'll never do business with you, that much is clear. And yes, I am a businessperson and my business sells things to the public, so it isn't like I have no clue about those sorts of things.
Good luck with your product.
******************Addendum********************
Kevin,
It has been pointed out to me by another forum member that I responded to you as being the manufacturer of this electric RAM setup, when in fact you are NOT. I was confused because another member used your name in his post a few posts above, in a way that led me to that conclusion. I also misread your post to imply that, again, my error. Therefore, my comments to you were improper, and I apologize for making them.
Since the beginning of internet forums, in fact dating back to "Usenet," businesspersons have used consumer forums to promote their own interests, often when this is not obvious. I am, perhaps, hypersensitive to this issue, being as I have seen a lot of abuse of it over many years, which is why I responded as I did.
Nonetheless, I was wrong, and I apologize to you for my comments.
You could be civil. You could acknowledge that you are selling something, and that this perhaps is not an altruistic endeavor.
But from what I have seen, I'll never do business with you, that much is clear. And yes, I am a businessperson and my business sells things to the public, so it isn't like I have no clue about those sorts of things.
Good luck with your product.
******************Addendum********************
Kevin,
It has been pointed out to me by another forum member that I responded to you as being the manufacturer of this electric RAM setup, when in fact you are NOT. I was confused because another member used your name in his post a few posts above, in a way that led me to that conclusion. I also misread your post to imply that, again, my error. Therefore, my comments to you were improper, and I apologize for making them.
Since the beginning of internet forums, in fact dating back to "Usenet," businesspersons have used consumer forums to promote their own interests, often when this is not obvious. I am, perhaps, hypersensitive to this issue, being as I have seen a lot of abuse of it over many years, which is why I responded as I did.
Nonetheless, I was wrong, and I apologize to you for my comments.
good of you to clean that up, in the way that you did.
but agree with all..kevin deserves his thread back, and i am sure i'm not "helping" either.. so.. mea culpa and vayo con dios.
05-31-2017, 11:03 PM
#80
Thank you for your kind words.
I do not want to further "intrude" on this thread, and will start another one aimed at collecting some actual data on the drive-ability and functioning of this car with an immovable or non-functioning spoiler.
I do not want to further "intrude" on this thread, and will start another one aimed at collecting some actual data on the drive-ability and functioning of this car with an immovable or non-functioning spoiler.
06-03-2017, 08:28 PM
#81
What a THREAD HIJACK....
This thread is for THOSE people that own a car with a leaking hydraulic lift cylinder and want a solution to fix the factory system.. Nothing more, nothing less..
For those folks that want to KEEP the factory system intact and functioning "I" have a solution that I have spent time and money on to bring to the market.
Anyone interested can email me kevin@ultimatemotorwerks.com
NOTE: This kit requires that you remove and send me your lift cylinder OR you can disassemble the lift cylinder (save my labor) and send me the Cartridge assy. Additionally, you will have to charge and bleed the system with Pentosin.
This thread is for THOSE people that own a car with a leaking hydraulic lift cylinder and want a solution to fix the factory system.. Nothing more, nothing less..
For those folks that want to KEEP the factory system intact and functioning "I" have a solution that I have spent time and money on to bring to the market.
Anyone interested can email me kevin@ultimatemotorwerks.com
NOTE: This kit requires that you remove and send me your lift cylinder OR you can disassemble the lift cylinder (save my labor) and send me the Cartridge assy. Additionally, you will have to charge and bleed the system with Pentosin.
06-04-2017, 11:00 PM
#82
Rennlist Member
Kevin, this and Dave's eRam should make it so that anyone with an inop spoiler has 2 great options to fix it. Thanks for your efforts !
Last edited by FRUNKenstein; 06-05-2017 at 11:28 AM. Reason: Correcting the damn Autocorrect
07-15-2017, 09:30 AM
#83
996 Turbo Wing Hydraulic Repair
I'm new to the conversation. I have a 2003 996 Turbo on the way and I need a solution for the leaky hydraulics. The $150 bag of bolts is my current favorite but if there is a simple rebuild option, I'm interested.
07-15-2017, 12:59 PM
#84
If I were you and if I wanted to have a functioning spoiler, I'd consider the electrical conversion, personally, however the product that this thread is about would probably be cheaper.
07-16-2017, 03:25 PM
#85
Rennlist Member
You can't go wrong working with him for tuning, upgrades and stock repair needs. The knowledge you get access to as a customer is well worth a few bucks for a great tune or more.
Welcome to the fun!
07-28-2017, 08:41 PM
#86
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To be honest, I didn't even realize when I bought the car that anyone would interpret that this spoiler amounted to a sort of "mis-badging" of the car with a spoiler type from another car. As I have said previously, I did not buy this spoiler, it was installed on the car when I bought it.
In the BMW world, one frequently sees cars with M-type badging that obviously was put on aftermarket by an owner, probably with fake badges bought on ebay or elsewhere. If BMW hadn't gotten into the act putting "M" badging on everything, I could see it as being offensive.
In the BMW world, one frequently sees cars with M-type badging that obviously was put on aftermarket by an owner, probably with fake badges bought on ebay or elsewhere. If BMW hadn't gotten into the act putting "M" badging on everything, I could see it as being offensive.
Never driven a BMW E90 M3, but apparently own one, but you now have me concerned its a fake. Vin number was messed with to match the badge. Apparently the M3 I thought I own has a rear spoiler. Do you see that as another complete waste of space sitting on the boot and is merely taking up valuable revision mirror perspective and does 2/5th's of sweet FA to down force unless you are at 8400 rpm plus. Is it best to despoil it so it looks like a 3 series e90 boot lid.
07-29-2017, 01:14 AM
#87
Never driven a BMW E90 M3, but apparently own one, but you now have me concerned its a fake. Vin number was messed with to match the badge. Apparently the M3 I thought I own has a rear spoiler. Do you see that as another complete waste of space sitting on the boot and is merely taking up valuable revision mirror perspective and does 2/5th's of sweet FA to down force unless you are at 8400 rpm plus. Is it best to despoil it so it looks like a 3 series e90 boot lid.
08-01-2017, 12:44 PM
#88
Rennlist Member
Here is how you could have replied in this thread, and have sold more of your product (which I have every reason to believe is a good product, by the way).
You could be civil. You could acknowledge that you are selling something, and that this perhaps is not an altruistic endeavor.
But from what I have seen, I'll never do business with you, that much is clear. And yes, I am a businessperson and my business sells things to the public, so it isn't like I have no clue about those sorts of things.
Good luck with your product
******************Addendum********************
Kevin,
It has been pointed out to me by another forum member that I responded to you as being the manufacturer of this electric RAM setup, when in fact you are NOT. I was confused because another member used your name in his post a few posts above, in a way that led me to that conclusion. I also misread your post to imply that, again, my error. Therefore, my comments to you were improper, and I apologize for making them.
Since the beginning of internet forums, in fact dating back to "Usenet," businesspersons have used consumer forums to promote their own interests, often when this is not obvious. I am, perhaps, hypersensitive to this issue, being as I have seen a lot of abuse of it over many years, which is why I responded as I did.
Nonetheless, I was wrong, and I apologize to you for my comments.
You could be civil. You could acknowledge that you are selling something, and that this perhaps is not an altruistic endeavor.
But from what I have seen, I'll never do business with you, that much is clear. And yes, I am a businessperson and my business sells things to the public, so it isn't like I have no clue about those sorts of things.
Good luck with your product
******************Addendum********************
Kevin,
It has been pointed out to me by another forum member that I responded to you as being the manufacturer of this electric RAM setup, when in fact you are NOT. I was confused because another member used your name in his post a few posts above, in a way that led me to that conclusion. I also misread your post to imply that, again, my error. Therefore, my comments to you were improper, and I apologize for making them.
Since the beginning of internet forums, in fact dating back to "Usenet," businesspersons have used consumer forums to promote their own interests, often when this is not obvious. I am, perhaps, hypersensitive to this issue, being as I have seen a lot of abuse of it over many years, which is why I responded as I did.
Nonetheless, I was wrong, and I apologize to you for my comments.
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09-06-2017, 02:39 PM
#90
Rennlist Member
Over the years I have received a number of emails asking how to fix or repair leaking and failing wings. I decided to approach the repair in a different method. I have CNC'd a rebuildable LIFT cartridge. The cartridge assy will be available for those that want to service one or both leaking wing cylinders. The main reason for the wing failures is due to a couple of 10 cent orings. The orings get flat spotted and a leak slowly develops. Replace the orings and you are up and running.
My repair kit allows owners that want to retain the factory wing assembly AND factory look and operation. I acknowledge the fact that there are other options available in the marketplace. UMW's option is to allow a rebuildable solution for owners and shops.
NOTE: I am looking for two individuals (beta testers)that have tried to bleed there system and have a working knowledge of how the wing hydraulics/system works. The two individuals would need to require the ability to take pictures and documentations as to "there" repair and assembly.
Lastly, I am working on the electric pump assy component repair kit. With the two kits, we will be able to maintain and service our wings for a minimal investment.
For those interested please email me for details and pricing (introductory pricing is available). kevin@ultimatemotorwerks.com
My repair kit allows owners that want to retain the factory wing assembly AND factory look and operation. I acknowledge the fact that there are other options available in the marketplace. UMW's option is to allow a rebuildable solution for owners and shops.
NOTE: I am looking for two individuals (beta testers)that have tried to bleed there system and have a working knowledge of how the wing hydraulics/system works. The two individuals would need to require the ability to take pictures and documentations as to "there" repair and assembly.
Lastly, I am working on the electric pump assy component repair kit. With the two kits, we will be able to maintain and service our wings for a minimal investment.
For those interested please email me for details and pricing (introductory pricing is available). kevin@ultimatemotorwerks.com