Ultimate Motorwerks Rear Wing Lift Cylinder Repair Kit
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Are you calling out Dave? Calling him a huckster?
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I wouldn't interpret someone directly quoting the manual in support of their product as a conflict of interest.
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In the BMW world, one frequently sees cars with M-type badging that obviously was put on aftermarket by an owner, probably with fake badges bought on ebay or elsewhere. If BMW hadn't gotten into the act putting "M" badging on everything, I could see it as being offensive.
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FWIW (it sounds like maybe you don't care or don't drive the car hard), but GT2 rear aero should be matched to GT2 front aero. The extra downforce on the rear can actually cause lift on the front. Do you think Porsche was just randomly putting random spoilers at random heights when they engineered the car?
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Not sure how much the "imbalance" with a GT2 rear and stock front end would impact driving dynamics but I believe there was a thread here a while back that got pretty granular.
With max cornering speed of 90-100 at my local track in 3 corners where rear grip is more of a concern, I'll guess that I stay on the pavement.
Not sure how much the "imbalance" with a GT2 rear and stock front end would impact driving dynamics but I believe there was a thread here a while back that got pretty granular.
With max cornering speed of 90-100 at my local track in 3 corners where rear grip is more of a concern, I'll guess that I stay on the pavement.
There are a few people who actually understand such things as have been bandied about on this thread, basically car aerodynamics and handling, upforce, downforce, et. al.
One will often get very vociferous and exclamatory statements of supposed fact on complex threads and topics on forums, such as these. Unfortunately, the percentage of those commenting, often strongly, who actually have a background in and understand these complex subjects, is vanishingly small.
People frequently mistake "post count," e.g. the number of posts that someone makes on an internet forum, for knowledge. Sometimes post count and knowledge go hand and hand, and you do get the occasional mass poster who knows his stuff and who is extremely generous with his or her time in helping out others. I have already encountered several people like that on this board. Most people like this are careful to clarify what it is that they know for a fact, and what is questionable, but which they are repeating for the sake of completeness. That sort of posting demeanor helps me in separating out who actually has a handle on what they know, and what they don't know, essential in separating out the credible, from the rest.
But, I don't respond that way to strongly stated opinions, stated as fact, no matter how strongly or in fact even offensively, these opinions might be stated.
Peace.
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To be honest, I didn't even realize when I bought the car that anyone would interpret that this spoiler amounted to a sort of "mis-badging" of the car with a spoiler type from another car. As I have said previously, I did not buy this spoiler, it was installed on the car when I bought it.
In the BMW world, one frequently sees cars with M-type badging that obviously was put on aftermarket by an owner, probably with fake badges bought on ebay or elsewhere. If BMW hadn't gotten into the act putting "M" badging on everything, I could see it as being offensive.
In the BMW world, one frequently sees cars with M-type badging that obviously was put on aftermarket by an owner, probably with fake badges bought on ebay or elsewhere. If BMW hadn't gotten into the act putting "M" badging on everything, I could see it as being offensive.
I don't think it's quite the same thing with rear spoilers, just wouldn't be my choice to put a GT2 wing on a 996tt, I don't think it looks good myself and serves as a reminder that these cars were once so undervalued that lots of GT2 knockoff wings were installed to save a grand or two.
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Putting an M on the back of your non-M BMW is poser pure and simple. Yes they put M components on non-M cars, but the only non-M model that got an M in it's name was the M235i right?
I don't think it's quite the same thing with rear spoilers, just wouldn't be my choice to put a GT2 wing on a 996tt, I don't think it looks good myself and serves as a reminder that these cars were once so undervalued that lots of GT2 knockoff wings were installed to save a grand or two.
I don't think it's quite the same thing with rear spoilers, just wouldn't be my choice to put a GT2 wing on a 996tt, I don't think it looks good myself and serves as a reminder that these cars were once so undervalued that lots of GT2 knockoff wings were installed to save a grand or two.
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I'm willing to bet that Porsche determined the functionality of the wing based on a lot of data, including drag, cooling, downforce etc. These things even play a role at relatively low speed. Hold your hand out of the car window into the wind, you will be amazed at the forces at play.
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The Porsche Turbo is not the only fast car manufactured with a spoiler; other cars which tend to be driven hard, with spoilers, include the Subaru STi, which routinely was sold with the spoiler removed entirely per customer request, and now is sold that way, with and without spoiler.
But do whatever you want with your car.
BTW Porsche is a racing company, they put stuff on the cars mostly for performance after testing. Stick around a while and you will see Porsche is very different from BMW. BTW I like BMWs as well just not as much a Porsche
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One will often get very vociferous and exclamatory statements of supposed fact on complex threads and topics on forums, such as these. Unfortunately, the percentage of those commenting, often strongly, who actually have a background in and understand these complex subjects, is vanishingly small.
People frequently mistake "post count," e.g. the number of posts that someone makes on an internet forum, for knowledge. Sometimes post count and knowledge go hand and hand, and you do get the occasional mass poster who knows his stuff and who is extremely generous with his or her time in helping out others. I have already encountered several people like that on this board. Most people like this are careful to clarify what it is that they know for a fact, and what is questionable, but which they are repeating for the sake of completeness. That sort of posting demeanor helps me in separating out who actually has a handle on what they know, and what they don't know, essential in separating out the credible, from the rest.
Peace out.
#45
So this guy is saying that engineered aerodynamics in a high performance sports car is a doo-dad. I think he's just pissed he bought a car that doesn't have one and secretly wishes he did.
You should just put a c4s lid on then the gt2 lid is also another fun doo-dad.
You should just put a c4s lid on then the gt2 lid is also another fun doo-dad.