I have had 2 Indy shops and one dealer refuse to do a PPI
09-08-2016 | 02:11 PM
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As I mentioned, I have had several large boat "surveys". Both as a buyer and a seller. Maybe a better term? I knew of issues the surveyor missed, and some they found that I did not know of. I can be more objective when I am asked about another's purchase, but when it is me, I want it now,,even when defects are pointed out to me. Which helps cause buyers remorse?
Thes are complex machines buyer beware...
Thes are complex machines buyer beware...
09-08-2016 | 04:49 PM
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32krazy-the more I look, tHe more uncertain I get; salvage a great deal for a daily driver/but salvage title cars are hard to get rid of ( Motorcar Studio-Atlanta), a stock -1 TT, 48K miles, $40K, heavily modded track/street car, $49K (missed this one-for tHe best), lightly modded $44K, missed tHis one, both 56Kmiles, two locals, low miles/high miles...and now, moderately modded, suspension and engine, street car, 39K miles, funky spoiler, silve/black interior, $45K, at shop now getting PPI...
...maybe keep my 2003 NA 996 with 114K lies, looks new, all upgrades supposedly done....I,sound like a country son---oh, I don't know what Porsche.....
...maybe keep my 2003 NA 996 with 114K lies, looks new, all upgrades supposedly done....I,sound like a country son---oh, I don't know what Porsche.....
09-09-2016 | 12:16 AM
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I see you have a post saying your unsure which to buy? If the low mile car checks out and price is reasonable that's your best choice. Edit I guess I got my signals crossed as I thought you were looking at a stock 24k mile car? I would go with stock 2001 over the car with mods if that's the two choices.
09-09-2016 | 12:37 AM
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I see you have a post saying your unsure which to buy? If the low mile car checks out and price is reasonable that's your best choice. Edit I guess I got my signals crossed as I thought you were looking at a stock 24k mile car? I would go with stock 2001 over the car with mods if that's the two choices.
....or keep driving my 996 NA and keep looking...
Thanks for all the decisions, I need them...
09-09-2016 | 01:03 AM
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I was scare to buy my first MB. I jumped in with both feet and bought a used AMG. It was just another car with fancier nuts and bolts. I was scared when I bought my dream car, Porsche 911 turbo. It's again just nuts and bolts. Knock on wood, I think Porsche is a whole lot more robust and reliable than MB.
Just buy your turbo and enjoy it. I promised you once you buy it you'll be wondering why didn't you buy it sooner.
Just buy your turbo and enjoy it. I promised you once you buy it you'll be wondering why didn't you buy it sooner.
09-09-2016 | 12:14 PM
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there is never, nor is there ever any "liability" for a shop that inspects a car. implied or otherwise, provided they have no ownership stake in the car.
unless of course some representation to the contrary is made. a PPI is an inspection. for better for worse, but nothing more, nothing less.
a guy inspects a house pre-purchase.. the roof caves in. you gonna send the inspector a bill? lol.
unless of course some representation to the contrary is made. a PPI is an inspection. for better for worse, but nothing more, nothing less.
a guy inspects a house pre-purchase.. the roof caves in. you gonna send the inspector a bill? lol.
I've had a couple of PPIs done in the last five years. In each case the shop refused to reduce anything to writing. Both shops took copious amounts of pictures, and discussed everything on the phone with me ad nauseum, but neither would provide a written report. Also, in both cases they demanded cash up-front.
Entitled dikheads apparently blame the PPI shops for their bad buying decisions, and even have the gall to stop payment on PPI checks when they aren't satisfied with the PPI reports. Like everything else in America in 2016, we all end up paying the price for these idiots. People...the world would be a whole lot easier to take if there were fewer of them.
09-09-2016 | 12:40 PM
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My local shop has recently completed PPI's on a Boxter and 996. It was explained to the buyer & seller they will take no responsibility for anything related to the IMS (this was also printed on the PPI). Both sales went through and both cars were kept at the shop for an IMS upgrade, I believe the one from Vertex Auto was used.
Not true, never has been. Have a PPI done, passes, the next day after the purchase a wheel falls off I guarntee you the buyer is going after the shop every single time. Shops have an expression called "Ever Since You" that applies to anything that breaks on a car X hours, days, weeks etc... after the car was in the shop. I was at the shop one day and witnessed the owner of a 944 get into his car after an oil change. He shut the door, glass fell out of the side mirror. He came storming into the shop, blaming them and demanded they fix it for free. This happens all day, every day in the auto repair business. To imply there is no liability in any way is complete nonsense. So you pay for a full PPI on a 996 and the next day after you buy it the IMS bearing grenades leaving you with a junk motor, you'll shrug is off and not call out the shop on it? That depends, did the inspection company sign off on the roof as being 100% structurally sound? If yes and you hired a reputable, license and insured inspection company you bet I will be calling them. The inspection we got on hour house came with a 1 year warranty on everything they signed off on.
As an FYI i had a ppi done on 3 of my 10. Spent a lot of money for them to say nice car. On my 996 cab i had the shop that did the ppi then replace the ims bearing as preventative after i bought and before it shipped. The car shows up and a month later i had to spend 4k in new clutch , flywheel etc etc. labor was the main factor. But the shop that did the ppi and then the ims never told me when they had the tranny and clutch out that the flywheel was scored and clutch was shot. I tried to threaten and they stuck their middle finger up and told mento **** off. I dont believe in ppi any longer. I believe in knowing what to ask and what to look for.
09-09-2016 | 01:36 PM
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That's the problem shops face, with our litigious society were anyone can drag someone through court for no reason it's a big risk for shops weather they are actually liable or not.
09-09-2016 | 01:38 PM
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I wish I could do all the inspection and work myself, but I know what I don't know. I have great people to depend on her in Atlanta but the GOOD/REASONABLY PRICED cars I'm finding are far away, like CA. So I have to depend on shops that I do not know. The recommendations I have received here are excellent and have talked to shops in NM and N Cal that have been great. But distance dealing for me has to be based on trust, which is always tricky. And I don't know these cars well enough even if I was standing there as the PPI was being done. IF anyone has a local metro Atlanta car that they are interested in, I'll,steer them right and be there when the PPI is done...thanks all for the insights and keep them coming. I know I will make the decision myself, but I get buy with a little (lot!) of oldf help,from my friends..here..c
09-09-2016 | 01:57 PM
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One option is to buy CPO from the dealer. You pay more, but have some assurances...
You could also buy an extended warranty from the dealer...
Otherwise, you look over the car, and roll the dice...
I suspect most dealers would be willing to do something that is very straightforward... "Here, read the computer and give me a print out of any over revs, and I want a compression check done..."
That's pretty cut and dry, and unlikely to cause liability...
You could also buy an extended warranty from the dealer...
Otherwise, you look over the car, and roll the dice...
I suspect most dealers would be willing to do something that is very straightforward... "Here, read the computer and give me a print out of any over revs, and I want a compression check done..."
That's pretty cut and dry, and unlikely to cause liability...
09-09-2016 | 05:01 PM
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Couple of years ago, when I was looking at a 996TT in Houston, I called up local p-car dealers for PPI. They told me they will not perform PPI anymore. Apparently, someone sued one of the dealers ((not sure if it was a p-car dealer) and since then, none of the dealers perform PPIs.
I called an indy p-car mechanic and he agreed to perform a PPI.
I called an indy p-car mechanic and he agreed to perform a PPI.