assistance with engine number
01-24-2013, 11:27 AM
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assistance with engine number
all,
found a nice 2001 seal grey/black turbo that has had it's engine replaced because of internal damage - the only record is a carfax showing engine replacement snd it is vague.
engine replacement was back in 2009 - i am suspect that this engine is a used turbo mootr instead of a new factory replacement so can someone chime in.
the serial# on the engine is: M96/7064560034 which i believe is a 2006 engine? why wouldn't it be a 2008 or 2009 engine if it was a supposedly new factory replacement in early(january)2009?
appreciate any insight.
found a nice 2001 seal grey/black turbo that has had it's engine replaced because of internal damage - the only record is a carfax showing engine replacement snd it is vague.
engine replacement was back in 2009 - i am suspect that this engine is a used turbo mootr instead of a new factory replacement so can someone chime in.
the serial# on the engine is: M96/7064560034 which i believe is a 2006 engine? why wouldn't it be a 2008 or 2009 engine if it was a supposedly new factory replacement in early(january)2009?
appreciate any insight.
01-24-2013, 12:54 PM
#2
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Briefly I do not have the time to decode the engine number but when an engine is replaced it doesn't haven't to be a new engine. In fact it probably (shouldn't) be a new engine. That is a newer engine. The replacement engine could very well be new in that it never was installed in a car. Or it could have been an engine that was returned as part of an engine replacement job and rebuilt/remanufactured.
What it should be is an engine that was produced during the same span of years for which the car into which it is going into was produced.
IOWS, say an owner had to replace the engine in his 2003 Turbo.
Say -- just an example -- the same basic car was produced from 2002 to 2005 or possibly in the case of the car you are specifically asking about even 2006. However, I seem to think/recall 2005 was the end of the line, so to speak, for that particular run of 996 Turbos.
Thus an engine from any year in this range: 2002, 2003, 2004 or 2005; would be a "drop in" replacement; physically as well as electrically and electronically a drop in replacement.
While a prior MY engine or a later MY engine could be fitted either one brings with it complications.
As an aside in the USA the car's emission compliance is based on its engine year and if a 2002 car received a 2012 engine this could in an area where emissions compliance be monitored/checked could cause the owner grief even if the other issues were dealt with.
Now if the car in question is a 2001 MY car and yet has a 2006 MY engine installed that to me means the engine was not replaced by a dealer but by an indy shop or even an owner. Provided the info you provided is correct and my recollection the MY span didn't run from 2001 to 2006 then this car would appear to be some sort of a Frankenstein car.
It may be ok but it could really complicate the ownership experience.
What it should be is an engine that was produced during the same span of years for which the car into which it is going into was produced.
IOWS, say an owner had to replace the engine in his 2003 Turbo.
Say -- just an example -- the same basic car was produced from 2002 to 2005 or possibly in the case of the car you are specifically asking about even 2006. However, I seem to think/recall 2005 was the end of the line, so to speak, for that particular run of 996 Turbos.
Thus an engine from any year in this range: 2002, 2003, 2004 or 2005; would be a "drop in" replacement; physically as well as electrically and electronically a drop in replacement.
While a prior MY engine or a later MY engine could be fitted either one brings with it complications.
As an aside in the USA the car's emission compliance is based on its engine year and if a 2002 car received a 2012 engine this could in an area where emissions compliance be monitored/checked could cause the owner grief even if the other issues were dealt with.
Now if the car in question is a 2001 MY car and yet has a 2006 MY engine installed that to me means the engine was not replaced by a dealer but by an indy shop or even an owner. Provided the info you provided is correct and my recollection the MY span didn't run from 2001 to 2006 then this car would appear to be some sort of a Frankenstein car.
It may be ok but it could really complicate the ownership experience.
01-24-2013, 01:19 PM
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Does Carfax say "factory replacement?" I guess it is possible that an extended warranty would result in a factory replacement of an 8 year old motor; however it is more plausable that an owner blew it up and bought a motor out of a wreck.
Would be nice to know those details-
Would be nice to know those details-
01-24-2013, 03:33 PM
#4
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The engine is M96/70 and after, the first number should be a 6 for 6 cylinder the second number should be a 4 for turbo, the third number is the production year (2001 =1 2002 =2 2003 =3 2004 =4 2005 =5) , and the last 4 to 8 digits are the serial number. So your engine is a 2005 which was the latest year for the 996 turbo....Installing a 997 turbo engine in a 996 would be very difficult (2005 +).
01-24-2013, 04:46 PM
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Briefly I do not have the time to decode the engine number but when an engine is replaced it doesn't haven't to be a new engine. In fact it probably (shouldn't) be a new engine. That is a newer engine. The replacement engine could very well be new in that it never was installed in a car. Or it could have been an engine that was returned as part of an engine replacement job and rebuilt/remanufactured.
What it should be is an engine that was produced during the same span of years for which the car into which it is going into was produced.
IOWS, say an owner had to replace the engine in his 2003 Turbo.
Say -- just an example -- the same basic car was produced from 2002 to 2005 or possibly in the case of the car you are specifically asking about even 2006. However, I seem to think/recall 2005 was the end of the line, so to speak, for that particular run of 996 Turbos.
Thus an engine from any year in this range: 2002, 2003, 2004 or 2005; would be a "drop in" replacement; physically as well as electrically and electronically a drop in replacement.
While a prior MY engine or a later MY engine could be fitted either one brings with it complications.
As an aside in the USA the car's emission compliance is based on its engine year and if a 2002 car received a 2012 engine this could in an area where emissions compliance be monitored/checked could cause the owner grief even if the other issues were dealt with.
Now if the car in question is a 2001 MY car and yet has a 2006 MY engine installed that to me means the engine was not replaced by a dealer but by an indy shop or even an owner. Provided the info you provided is correct and my recollection the MY span didn't run from 2001 to 2006 then this car would appear to be some sort of a Frankenstein car.
It may be ok but it could really complicate the ownership experience.
What it should be is an engine that was produced during the same span of years for which the car into which it is going into was produced.
IOWS, say an owner had to replace the engine in his 2003 Turbo.
Say -- just an example -- the same basic car was produced from 2002 to 2005 or possibly in the case of the car you are specifically asking about even 2006. However, I seem to think/recall 2005 was the end of the line, so to speak, for that particular run of 996 Turbos.
Thus an engine from any year in this range: 2002, 2003, 2004 or 2005; would be a "drop in" replacement; physically as well as electrically and electronically a drop in replacement.
While a prior MY engine or a later MY engine could be fitted either one brings with it complications.
As an aside in the USA the car's emission compliance is based on its engine year and if a 2002 car received a 2012 engine this could in an area where emissions compliance be monitored/checked could cause the owner grief even if the other issues were dealt with.
Now if the car in question is a 2001 MY car and yet has a 2006 MY engine installed that to me means the engine was not replaced by a dealer but by an indy shop or even an owner. Provided the info you provided is correct and my recollection the MY span didn't run from 2001 to 2006 then this car would appear to be some sort of a Frankenstein car.
It may be ok but it could really complicate the ownership experience.
this lead me to belive that the replacement engine ser#M96/7064560034 in question was from a wrecking yard.
any help or ideas as to how to find out using the serial#would be appreciated. even everyones thoughts would be great
01-24-2013, 05:16 PM
#6
Race Director
Read the post by jpflip. That at least lets you know the engine MY falls within the MY range of the car.
As to where the engine came from... I do not believe there is any way to deduce that from the serial number.
Look over CarFax and see if you can deduce where was around the time the engine was replaced.
Call dealers in that area to see if anyone can shed any light on the car's servicing which may include an engine replacement. Do not get too nosy about previous owners. You want to learn about the car's' history not the owner's.
Be sure to ask for a recommendation of any indy shops that are well regarded in that area too.
If you exhaust the dealers then start working on the indy shops.
As to where the engine came from... I do not believe there is any way to deduce that from the serial number.
Look over CarFax and see if you can deduce where was around the time the engine was replaced.
Call dealers in that area to see if anyone can shed any light on the car's servicing which may include an engine replacement. Do not get too nosy about previous owners. You want to learn about the car's' history not the owner's.
Be sure to ask for a recommendation of any indy shops that are well regarded in that area too.
If you exhaust the dealers then start working on the indy shops.
01-24-2013, 05:30 PM
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as always, much appreciated!
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01-25-2013, 12:57 AM
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the engine was replaced about 20K miles ago so i think any bugs have been sorted but i do understand your point.
