Stg 3 - FVD vs Cargraphic vs RS tuning
09-30-2006 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
in all fairness, the MPH or top speed is limited.. In order to get there you need to raise the REV limit and Speed restrictions.. Some companies don't do this.. You would have to verify the ECU programming apples to apples to see if it was done across the board..
I think you can safely assume the tuners involved would have given it their VERY best shot - this is Sport Auto test and they take top speed pretty seriously since (as you know) in Germany you are actually allowed to achieve it legally.
09-30-2006 | 02:04 PM
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Kevin, what is the red-line speed for the 996tt with stock wheels and tires?
The text does not mention that any top speed was rev-limited and all tuners here do increase the redline for 996tt at least with better turbos.
The text does not mention that any top speed was rev-limited and all tuners here do increase the redline for 996tt at least with better turbos.
09-30-2006 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Toby, we don't know that.. I know for a fact that some of the cars that attended the event did not have the luxury of in house tuning.. We know which one do..
09-30-2006 | 02:52 PM
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You know that I respect RS Tuning.. You also realize that I have friendships with Sportec.. In all fairness I think that this test went to Sportec... It we look at the braking, acceleration, the numbers point to Sportec... Don't you agree..
09-30-2006 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
You know that I respect RS Tuning.. You also realize that I have friendships with Sportec.. In all fairness I think that this test went to Sportec... It we look at the braking, acceleration, the numbers point to Sportec... Don't you agree..
09-30-2006 | 04:17 PM
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If you compare the whole package the Sportec is ~55k DM more expensive than the RS-tuning.
That is a good 35k USD nowadays!
I am a big fan of both tuners and a 580hp Sportec GT2 was one of the fastest cars I ever drove.
But at least the RS-tuning stuff was without any problems in the test whereas the sportec exhaust had some troubles with the insulation that burned away and the low front that scraped the street sometimes. So no real daily driver and not exactly engineered up to the maturity phase at that time.
That is a good 35k USD nowadays!
I am a big fan of both tuners and a 580hp Sportec GT2 was one of the fastest cars I ever drove.
But at least the RS-tuning stuff was without any problems in the test whereas the sportec exhaust had some troubles with the insulation that burned away and the low front that scraped the street sometimes. So no real daily driver and not exactly engineered up to the maturity phase at that time.
10-01-2006 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
You know that I respect RS Tuning.. You also realize that I have friendships with Sportec.. In all fairness I think that this test went to Sportec... It we look at the braking, acceleration, the numbers point to Sportec... Don't you agree..
10-01-2006 | 10:05 PM
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Here's a German RS Tuning 996 Turbo (RC's from Rennteam) doing a top speed run... Although this is a 541bhp kit it seems that 508 kits hit the 7000revs as well but personally I was never able to exceed the 322km/h on the dash (due to excessive traffic). Please note the rather low boost (1.1bar) needed to achieve REAL 541 bhp...
10-02-2006 | 01:06 AM
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Kiko, there are errors with the stock speedo.. The correct way is to measure with timing lights and GPS on a closed course.
NightStorm, I can get any Sportec parts and accessory that you want/need.
RS Tuning does provide tuning for Cargraphic's.. More importantly there is a working relationship between the two companies. There US distributor has just changed hands..
NightStorm, I can get any Sportec parts and accessory that you want/need.
RS Tuning does provide tuning for Cargraphic's.. More importantly there is a working relationship between the two companies. There US distributor has just changed hands..
10-02-2006 | 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by McBurn4ever
Many thanks for the article!
I would really love to translate it..there is just one tiny tiny problem..
My german really sucks!
I'm from Sweden..far up in the northern Europe..and here we definitely do not speak german. Don't you all remember the swedish chef att the Muppetshow??
I've been doing some more thinking...
Is there someone who has experience of both stg 2 & 3 from the same tuner?
(stg2: ECU/filter/exhuast, stg3: stg2 + turbos)
If I look at FVD they say 510HP@6000rpm/745Nm@4500rpm for the stg2 kit and 540HP@7000rpm/760Nm@4500rpm for the stg3 kit.
At least on paper the difference isn't big. How is it in reality..?
Iv'e been hearing much about Kevins different ZC-kits.
Some have said something about maintenance. Do this setup require more care than say RUF/FVD/Cargr..?
Is it posible for me living in Sweden to buy a complete stg2 kit that will work with the petrol we have (diffenent than in the US)?
As you may notice I do have big problems making up my mind!
I would really love to translate it..there is just one tiny tiny problem..
My german really sucks!
I'm from Sweden..far up in the northern Europe..and here we definitely do not speak german. Don't you all remember the swedish chef att the Muppetshow??
I've been doing some more thinking...
Is there someone who has experience of both stg 2 & 3 from the same tuner?
(stg2: ECU/filter/exhuast, stg3: stg2 + turbos)
If I look at FVD they say 510HP@6000rpm/745Nm@4500rpm for the stg2 kit and 540HP@7000rpm/760Nm@4500rpm for the stg3 kit.
At least on paper the difference isn't big. How is it in reality..?
Iv'e been hearing much about Kevins different ZC-kits.
Some have said something about maintenance. Do this setup require more care than say RUF/FVD/Cargr..?
Is it posible for me living in Sweden to buy a complete stg2 kit that will work with the petrol we have (diffenent than in the US)?
As you may notice I do have big problems making up my mind!
Last edited by KPG; 10-02-2006 at 05:51 PM.
10-02-2006 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Kiko, there are errors with the stock speedo.. The correct way is to measure with timing lights and GPS on a closed course.
NightStorm, I can get any Sportec parts and accessory that you want/need.
RS Tuning does provide tuning for Cargraphic's.. More importantly there is a working relationship between the two companies. There US distributor has just changed hands..
NightStorm, I can get any Sportec parts and accessory that you want/need.
RS Tuning does provide tuning for Cargraphic's.. More importantly there is a working relationship between the two companies. There US distributor has just changed hands..