Lost it in my GT 2 yesterday
04-28-2003 | 01:51 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by watt:
<strong>and Tyson,
why, why, you called him a LIBERAL! That's like callin' him a mother raper, or a torturer!!!! How dare you!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />
Yep, that's why I took back castrated et. al. and left in liberal. I know what I'd rather be...
There is a perfect place in California for liberals like him called TOPANGA. Where they create big yellow bumper stickers that say, "I Slow Down Thru Town, So Don't Bother Honkin"
Ever seen those stickers? Those are the people that I love to cut off on the highway.
<strong>and Tyson,
why, why, you called him a LIBERAL! That's like callin' him a mother raper, or a torturer!!!! How dare you!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />
Yep, that's why I took back castrated et. al. and left in liberal. I know what I'd rather be...
There is a perfect place in California for liberals like him called TOPANGA. Where they create big yellow bumper stickers that say, "I Slow Down Thru Town, So Don't Bother Honkin"
Ever seen those stickers? Those are the people that I love to cut off on the highway.
04-28-2003 | 01:59 PM
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Hamann - No offense taken. I was just trying to be funny. I guess I failed. We can now add "humorless" to the string of adjectives that are applied before the word "doctor". Well, back to my pottery. Jim
p.s. - see your private mail
p.s. - see your private mail
04-28-2003 | 07:58 PM
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hamann, i still say, you have alot of opinions about how a porsche should be driven for a guy who doesn't even have one. i will look for your posts on the aviation boards too. oh, i forgot-everyone in south california knows that you drive the tires off of a 7 series bmw.
04-29-2003 | 12:45 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Colm:
[QB
...I have have the same intuitive philosophy and questions, mainly if AWD were the ultimate answer then why don't the supercars (like you pointed out) use all wheel drive?. Afterall, expense is no object. It might also be useful to note that the 959 used AWD, but the C-GT doesn't go down that path, I wonder why?[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">FWIW -- The answer to this is expense. The AWD system in the 959 was/is ludicrously pricey. Moreover, the real advantage of AWD is not speed on a track -- it is speed on regular roads and even off-road. My GT2 was all-world on great pavement, but as soon as the road was even iffy a 575 could keep up with it thanks to the traction control. The AWD in the 959 has never been equalled in a performance car since, and I believe it never will be. It is a question of the market. As Hamann7 correctly implied: Who buys an Enzo or CGT to race on the streets? -- No one. These are track racers that can drive on the streets, so the added weight of AWD gives them little advantage, but put the CGT and the 996TT out on the Ring in the driving rain or on uneven pavement...
That being said, I am not sure the GT3 will be the ultimate Canyon-Bomber. I think that would go to a car that has PSM.
[QB
...I have have the same intuitive philosophy and questions, mainly if AWD were the ultimate answer then why don't the supercars (like you pointed out) use all wheel drive?. Afterall, expense is no object. It might also be useful to note that the 959 used AWD, but the C-GT doesn't go down that path, I wonder why?[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">FWIW -- The answer to this is expense. The AWD system in the 959 was/is ludicrously pricey. Moreover, the real advantage of AWD is not speed on a track -- it is speed on regular roads and even off-road. My GT2 was all-world on great pavement, but as soon as the road was even iffy a 575 could keep up with it thanks to the traction control. The AWD in the 959 has never been equalled in a performance car since, and I believe it never will be. It is a question of the market. As Hamann7 correctly implied: Who buys an Enzo or CGT to race on the streets? -- No one. These are track racers that can drive on the streets, so the added weight of AWD gives them little advantage, but put the CGT and the 996TT out on the Ring in the driving rain or on uneven pavement...
That being said, I am not sure the GT3 will be the ultimate Canyon-Bomber. I think that would go to a car that has PSM.
04-29-2003 | 12:58 PM
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"My GT2 was all-world on great pavement"
Dean,
You used past tense in that sentence. Tell me it isn't so. First Watt, now you. What's going on here?
But in all fairness, if you did sell your GT2 a 959 is not a shabby replacement. Congrats by the way.
Amir
Dean,
You used past tense in that sentence. Tell me it isn't so. First Watt, now you. What's going on here?
But in all fairness, if you did sell your GT2 a 959 is not a shabby replacement. Congrats by the way.
Amir
04-29-2003 | 01:28 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Deanger:
<strong>[QUOTE]That being said, I am not sure the GT3 will be the ultimate Canyon-Bomber. I think that would go to a car that has PSM.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That depends on how you drive. If you are a novice, yes... if you know how to drive a proper line, no.
PSM does not allow you to throttle steer the car or drift the car much.
As watt once said, he was faster going 7/10 in the GT2 than 10/10 in the Turbo. It ain't the power, his TT had an FVD brain in it...
I guess we will see when the GT3's come out. Watt and I are both getting one, so we will get back to you. Our impression is we will easily outhandle the Turbos in the canyons or on the track, as long as you don't get too throttle happy mid corner.
<strong>[QUOTE]That being said, I am not sure the GT3 will be the ultimate Canyon-Bomber. I think that would go to a car that has PSM.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That depends on how you drive. If you are a novice, yes... if you know how to drive a proper line, no.
PSM does not allow you to throttle steer the car or drift the car much.
As watt once said, he was faster going 7/10 in the GT2 than 10/10 in the Turbo. It ain't the power, his TT had an FVD brain in it...
I guess we will see when the GT3's come out. Watt and I are both getting one, so we will get back to you. Our impression is we will easily outhandle the Turbos in the canyons or on the track, as long as you don't get too throttle happy mid corner.
04-29-2003 | 01:36 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Deanger:
The AWD in the 959 has never been equalled in a performance car since, and I believe it never will be. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Actually, I would have to argue that the Skyline GT-R's AWD system is about as advanced, if not more so, than the 959's. That car is one big computer hooked up to two turbos. Unfortunately, it's still a Nissan.
Dean, remember Porsche did not just dump the PSK and the electronic diff system in the 959. The 964 C4's were using a very close derivative of the same system. The problem was one of RELIABILITY, not necessarily expense. This is why they went to the more mechanical system in the 993, which is now in the 996.
The AWD in the 959 has never been equalled in a performance car since, and I believe it never will be. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Actually, I would have to argue that the Skyline GT-R's AWD system is about as advanced, if not more so, than the 959's. That car is one big computer hooked up to two turbos. Unfortunately, it's still a Nissan.
Dean, remember Porsche did not just dump the PSK and the electronic diff system in the 959. The 964 C4's were using a very close derivative of the same system. The problem was one of RELIABILITY, not necessarily expense. This is why they went to the more mechanical system in the 993, which is now in the 996.
04-29-2003 | 01:50 PM
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Amir,
One of my TT buds said: "You like change." I do.
And last weekend, this feeling came on me... I think another car... NO! NO! Watt, don't write that cheque!!!
"I don't want it. I just need it.
To breathe, To feel, to know I'm alive"
quoted from Arrixok on flat-6
One of my TT buds said: "You like change." I do.
And last weekend, this feeling came on me... I think another car... NO! NO! Watt, don't write that cheque!!!
"I don't want it. I just need it.
To breathe, To feel, to know I'm alive"
quoted from Arrixok on flat-6
04-29-2003 | 03:44 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by watt:
<strong>
"I don't want it. I just need it.
To breathe, To feel, to know I'm alive"
quoted from Arrixok on flat-6</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That's Tool BTW.
<strong>
"I don't want it. I just need it.
To breathe, To feel, to know I'm alive"
quoted from Arrixok on flat-6</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That's Tool BTW.
04-30-2003 | 01:38 AM
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Emorgan,
Have you considered taking the GT2 to an autocross or a car control clinic? You can really feel the car's limit and go over it safely without damaging anything.
I did my first autocross last weekend and was able to find out how I can get PSM to kick in.
Have you considered taking the GT2 to an autocross or a car control clinic? You can really feel the car's limit and go over it safely without damaging anything.
I did my first autocross last weekend and was able to find out how I can get PSM to kick in.