North American 996 Turbo Production Data
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Amazing! Tons of work! Thanks for doing this. When got my car a year ago, I tried to do some of this (not in the detail you have) and got nowhere (except very high level stats).
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Awesome stuff - thank you OP! Makes me appreciate my car just that much more.
Question - does anyone know the option code that distinguishes a car with leather in the frunk? My car is one of the only leather frunks I have seen but not sure if I have been able to track down a specific option that denotes that.
thanks
Kyle
Question - does anyone know the option code that distinguishes a car with leather in the frunk? My car is one of the only leather frunks I have seen but not sure if I have been able to track down a specific option that denotes that.
thanks
Kyle
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Thanks so much for putting this together! I will definitely use some of my excel magic to help improve this. Actually I will probably put it into sheets and make a portable web app in case anyone is interested in having a fancy front end to view the data.
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Mike Mullins (10-19-2022)
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If you have options that are not listed in the package breakdown above, let me know via PM, and I will happily make edits to the sheet.
I'm still working through Cabrios. Hopefully by Xmas. I will also have Rev 2 of the initial sheet, with hopefully all of the 2001's completed. A few folks have reached out and I am rapidly filling in the blanks for the early VIN's.
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moburki (10-25-2022)
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Perfect supporting data for a 996 Turbo registry,
Just a thought
Great job on all the work on this
Just a thought
Great job on all the work on this
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DanF (10-31-2022)
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Rob Price (05-26-2024)
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A preview of the Cabriolet world, which has some marked differences from the coupes: There are a non-trivial number of what I will describe as "Dealer-ordered" cars. The exact spec for this car appears often, either in Arctic Silver or Black, always Tiptronic. It will highly skew the overall numbers and rarity of certain colours and options. I say "Dealer ordered", as the spec always includes the same options and the VIN's are sequential in blocks. No way a collector or individual buyer was ordering this many exact cars. You'll notice this happening a bit with the coupes, but nowhere near as much.
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A preview of the Cabriolet world, which has some marked differences from the coupes: There are a non-trivial number of what I will describe as "Dealer-ordered" cars. The exact spec for this car appears often, either in Arctic Silver or Black, always Tiptronic. It will highly skew the overall numbers and rarity of certain colours and options. I say "Dealer ordered", as the spec always includes the same options and the VIN's are sequential in blocks. No way a collector or individual buyer was ordering this many exact cars. You'll notice this happening a bit with the coupes, but nowhere near as much.
Mine is a manual.
Interested when available.
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As some may know, I've had something of a little hobby over the past 7 months compiling the data for all North American 996 Turbos (and Turbo S'). I am nearly done, but the requests are outweighing my ability to respond effectively. I have attached the spreadsheet I have built along with a number of clarifications;
- The sheets are all effectively locked. There is some ability to enter 3 options for each year in the light green cells for any 3 options. (450 + X50 +XAF) for example. Everything else is locked as I have probably 150 hours into this exercise and I don't want people messing with it.
- I'm pretty decent with excel, but have not figured out a clean way to select iterative options to build out a car - keep in mind that the highest build sheet has something like 42 unique options, which makes for an unwieldy interface, 3 options is all anyone gets for now.
- The 2001 data is incomplete. Everything falls apart for the early VIN's and I still have another 800 potentials or so left to check. I wouldn't bother looking for anything prior to 686026 as it gets spotty. You'll see that I have some entries, but there's work to do. These missing cars could affect the statistics in a material way, at least for MY2001 cars.
- Grey cells are for VIN's with no data and what I surmise to generally (but not exclusively) be an unused VIN.
- Yellow, blue, orange or green cells on the Model Year VIN tabs mean that there is some issue with the data. It either has conflicting information or doesn't fit the Options criteria the way it should. Thankfully, there aren't many of these.
- The "Notes" tab is a brief summary of what I found as I was putting this together. There's some odd/neat quirks in the data.
- I will not disclose how I obtained the data, but I will say that if anyone has a more complete source, I'd love to see it.
- The "Stats" tab has everything summarized. Again, I need more excel knowledge to better categorize the Options UI, so for now, I have some limited data breakdowns.
- The "Opt. Stat" tab is a summary of the take rates and prices. It is important to understand what was offered each year as some options change names between model years, or are added/deleted.
- Not all colours are offered all years. I have this info in some hidden tabs from the Order Guides. For example, "Biarritz White" was only offered in MY 2001, and then "Carrara White" was offered for MY 2002+
- Cabriolets are a coming attraction.
- I may do 996 GT cars, but these are a bit more known in terms of the statistics and imports are changing the true numbers a bit.
- I'm not sure if a mod can allow this thread to be edited in terms of the attachment, I would like to take any feedback in this thread and make sure the latest version of the sheet is available for download.
Overall, I want to release this information here to not only answer questions I couldn't find any succinct or verified answers to, but to build on those answers. It is still incomplete and as one can see, I do audit a number of the cars with links in order to verify the correctness of the data, as something of a QC check. I will happily take requests to make the sheet more useable and add data if people have VIN's or relevant information. I was hoping to have more sales history and crashed car info, but a lot of the sites restrict that information. Unless someone wants to fund me to grab the reports, this is what I can easily find for free. I offer this information to the community as my way to paying it forward to those who have helped me. This data was a bear to collect and present, as I have combed just about every single thread and forum on the internet to find whatever I could related to 996 Turbo production. There were a number of Rennlist threads that helped me and a few other internet gems I discovered along the way, so thank you for that!
- The sheets are all effectively locked. There is some ability to enter 3 options for each year in the light green cells for any 3 options. (450 + X50 +XAF) for example. Everything else is locked as I have probably 150 hours into this exercise and I don't want people messing with it.
- I'm pretty decent with excel, but have not figured out a clean way to select iterative options to build out a car - keep in mind that the highest build sheet has something like 42 unique options, which makes for an unwieldy interface, 3 options is all anyone gets for now.
- The 2001 data is incomplete. Everything falls apart for the early VIN's and I still have another 800 potentials or so left to check. I wouldn't bother looking for anything prior to 686026 as it gets spotty. You'll see that I have some entries, but there's work to do. These missing cars could affect the statistics in a material way, at least for MY2001 cars.
- Grey cells are for VIN's with no data and what I surmise to generally (but not exclusively) be an unused VIN.
- Yellow, blue, orange or green cells on the Model Year VIN tabs mean that there is some issue with the data. It either has conflicting information or doesn't fit the Options criteria the way it should. Thankfully, there aren't many of these.
- The "Notes" tab is a brief summary of what I found as I was putting this together. There's some odd/neat quirks in the data.
- I will not disclose how I obtained the data, but I will say that if anyone has a more complete source, I'd love to see it.
- The "Stats" tab has everything summarized. Again, I need more excel knowledge to better categorize the Options UI, so for now, I have some limited data breakdowns.
- The "Opt. Stat" tab is a summary of the take rates and prices. It is important to understand what was offered each year as some options change names between model years, or are added/deleted.
- Not all colours are offered all years. I have this info in some hidden tabs from the Order Guides. For example, "Biarritz White" was only offered in MY 2001, and then "Carrara White" was offered for MY 2002+
- Cabriolets are a coming attraction.
- I may do 996 GT cars, but these are a bit more known in terms of the statistics and imports are changing the true numbers a bit.
- I'm not sure if a mod can allow this thread to be edited in terms of the attachment, I would like to take any feedback in this thread and make sure the latest version of the sheet is available for download.
Overall, I want to release this information here to not only answer questions I couldn't find any succinct or verified answers to, but to build on those answers. It is still incomplete and as one can see, I do audit a number of the cars with links in order to verify the correctness of the data, as something of a QC check. I will happily take requests to make the sheet more useable and add data if people have VIN's or relevant information. I was hoping to have more sales history and crashed car info, but a lot of the sites restrict that information. Unless someone wants to fund me to grab the reports, this is what I can easily find for free. I offer this information to the community as my way to paying it forward to those who have helped me. This data was a bear to collect and present, as I have combed just about every single thread and forum on the internet to find whatever I could related to 996 Turbo production. There were a number of Rennlist threads that helped me and a few other internet gems I discovered along the way, so thank you for that!
Can’t wait to see what you provide about my ‘04 X50 Cab!
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This data is awesome. Something I thought we would never see for these cars.
My car is in there, which is cool to see.
Not many made in my spec, 2001 Black Metallic - Natural Brown - Manual - Sport seats (P77)
Will have to try to find examples of Black / Black Metallic / Basalt Black in the same parking lot and see if i can tell a difference...
I have been asked if my car is dark brown a couple times over the last 12 years...
Thank you for the effort of pulling this together.
My car is in there, which is cool to see.
Not many made in my spec, 2001 Black Metallic - Natural Brown - Manual - Sport seats (P77)
Will have to try to find examples of Black / Black Metallic / Basalt Black in the same parking lot and see if i can tell a difference...
I have been asked if my car is dark brown a couple times over the last 12 years...
Thank you for the effort of pulling this together.