WTB track prepped GT3
11-17-2012, 08:44 AM
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no argument from me this being therapy that's why I do it
it's 4, I'm headed to trk now.
I was just saying that most ppl underestimate the total cost of their cars. while its not a dollar loss per se (ur bank balance doesn't suddenly drop when u sell) but the blood and sweat is also money lost, as we call it in real estate: sweat equity.
oh plus many of us can't figure out one end of a screwdriver from the other, so we have to hire out!
no argument from me this being therapy that's why I do it
it's 4, I'm headed to trk now.
I was just saying that most ppl underestimate the total cost of their cars. while its not a dollar loss per se (ur bank balance doesn't suddenly drop when u sell) but the blood and sweat is also money lost, as we call it in real estate: sweat equity.
oh plus many of us can't figure out one end of a screwdriver from the other, so we have to hire out!
11-17-2012, 09:06 AM
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u r not doing your math right. if YOU build it, you need to count hour and your labor. if you dont, then pls, i will fly you over to SF first class and you can build my next race car for free labor. no matter who builds it, labor is labor, it has costs. time you could have done other things to make money, to play with ur kids, to take wife out, to surf rennlist.
not doubting your ability to build, but just saying that most ppl dont account the $ correctly.
at least in CA, most shops, even bad one charge roughly $100/hour. and they are in no hurry..... add up the labor. that's where the money goes.
if you are working on ur car. you need to charge yourself 100/hour as well. if you did that, your car is suddenly 2x the cost you think it is.
just like i talked to many ppl about cost of track day. 99% of them failed accounting.
they talk about fuel, wear/tear, food, hotel....
you took a day off work, what's your pay rate for a single day? that's lost... yes, i know it's your vacation day, but still, it's one day's pay lost.
you lost one day of "hall pass" with wife, i would pay easily $5000 per one hall pass.
the one day you burn on track, you go home, you realized you missed a day with your kids. that's a lot of "emotion" lost, trying to equate that to $ lost
then you listen to wife nag about why you had to go to track drive cars in circles buring $5/gal gasoline and not spending enough time with her, clean the house, help kids with homework. i'll pay a couple grands if someone can make that disappear.
all that are part of the total expense. if you dont count it today, it will add up and you will end up with a very BIG invoice ten years later. just watch!
not doubting your ability to build, but just saying that most ppl dont account the $ correctly.
at least in CA, most shops, even bad one charge roughly $100/hour. and they are in no hurry..... add up the labor. that's where the money goes.
if you are working on ur car. you need to charge yourself 100/hour as well. if you did that, your car is suddenly 2x the cost you think it is.
just like i talked to many ppl about cost of track day. 99% of them failed accounting.
they talk about fuel, wear/tear, food, hotel....
you took a day off work, what's your pay rate for a single day? that's lost... yes, i know it's your vacation day, but still, it's one day's pay lost.
you lost one day of "hall pass" with wife, i would pay easily $5000 per one hall pass.
the one day you burn on track, you go home, you realized you missed a day with your kids. that's a lot of "emotion" lost, trying to equate that to $ lost
then you listen to wife nag about why you had to go to track drive cars in circles buring $5/gal gasoline and not spending enough time with her, clean the house, help kids with homework. i'll pay a couple grands if someone can make that disappear.
all that are part of the total expense. if you dont count it today, it will add up and you will end up with a very BIG invoice ten years later. just watch!
I avg about 18k a year and I do most of the work myself, instruct so track time is free, part out FDs on the side so most of the parts are free and my total expenses are approx 500 to 1000 a day. I spend all my money on cars and gas and the rest I just waste
One thing to note though is my wife pays me to leave the house BUT it is my money she's paying me with LOL. I'd suggest being more difficult to live with and then she'll be glad when you're gone
11-17-2012, 09:08 AM
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11-17-2012, 09:35 AM
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All kidding aside though because you know how when you're sliding through a corner perfectly all the way to the edge of track out, pedal all the way down there's only one thing better, well equal and that is something only the wife can provide
11-17-2012, 10:59 AM
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11-17-2012, 08:22 PM
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You guys just wait. Every time the wife flys to see grand kids I earn mucho brownie points as she feels guilty leaving me alone. 
with the dog. My labor is free as I am semi retired and only need a cell phone to manage my commercial rental business. 
Peter
with the dog. My labor is free as I am semi retired and only need a cell phone to manage my commercial rental business. Peter
11-18-2012, 12:45 AM
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oh, I'm soooooooooooooo far away. oldest is 8yo
I'm in trouble
maybe mike can teach my kids how to build cars. then I can stop pissing money away
11-18-2012, 08:09 AM
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Mooty, I've got a dranddaughter that will be TWO in January. Still I manage to find time in the shop. I'm actually contemplating dropping my motor to fix the water piipe issue, replace the clutch and rebuild the LSD.
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11-20-2012, 10:00 AM
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Sorry for the delay,here are a few more pictures and I am still compiling the list of stuff that will come with the car. VIR data pull from IQ3, running on R6's @3200lbs.
Last edited by Air-21; 11-20-2012 at 10:27 AM. Reason: Adding photo
11-20-2012, 04:16 PM
#74
I can also modify the car's configuration to fit various budgets, i.e. I can pull off the 3-way JRZ and toss on the 2 way Moton Clubsports, 1 set or 2 sets of wheels, radio's, Cool suit system, extra bumpers, extra seats, ceramic rotors, everything else that came out of the car etc. I am leaning towards the 60-65k range but don't hold me to that just yet as I want to complete my due diligence to ensure I am not cheating myself or the buyer. Yes you can certainly find well used 996 Cups for this price range, and they will ultimately hold thier value longer but there is more maintenance cost associated with a Cup car that is not present with this conversion. That and the my already sunk cost of the car is my main reason for having built it.I will get some pictures of the interior tonight as I do not have any decent ones to speak of. Here is a link of a video that shows some of the dash,
Last edited by Air-21; 11-20-2012 at 04:54 PM.
11-20-2012, 04:20 PM
#75
For a sprint race I start out at 3250ish with me, full tank of gas and about 125lbs. of ballast, so I can get through impound afterwards. If I swap out everything to get the lightest car possible, then it will come in about 2685 dry.