Can I use the Pagid Oranges as a Street/Track pad the days that I can not shift between street/track pads ? Pagid clearly warns against it stating that their pads are not legal for the street...but, in practice, are the oranges bite enough when cold ??

I am attending track events were we typically have 30 minutes alternative sets along the day. I wanted to have pads that will reach fastly enough their working temperature but could stand more heat than the OEM ones. It happens that there are times ( and tracks) were I can not easily shift between street/track padas.

Thanks for your help

 

yes, you will be fine running orange on street, i did that all the time.
but they are hard on rotors, you might want to use yellow.
yellow are easier on rotors and last a tad longer on track as well. the bite is just slightly less than orange.

 

Thanks Mooty . Unfortunately I have already bougt the oranges...

 

I ran oranges RS-4-4 and black RS-14 for that matter on the street for years and did not experience any issues other than the associated squeeling. In fact, my wife's car has oranges in the front because I won't use them on the track and didn't want to waste them. The oranges are my least favorite of the Pagid pads, especially with a heavier car. If you run them at the track and begin to experience what feels like warped rotors, it is most likely pad material transfer. I have stopped using Oranges completely and now use only RS-14 or RS 19 (yellow).

 

I think the biggest problem is the above mentioned squeal. Some times it's pretty damn bad but in some cases nothing, or nothing much.

Also, I've never experienced problems with bad braking because of no heat (some times you hear about this problem) either. It's not as good as when they're warm but it's still as good as stock pads are.

 

Harry - The best pad on the Gt3 is the Pagid RS-19 yellow. It is an endurance racing pad which is used at LeMans. The pads and rotors last the full 24 hours. I use them on the street and track. The RS-19 is more costly than the Orange because it is ceramic based - one of the reasons is lasts longer, and is very, repeat very rotor friendly. Almost everyone here uses the -19.

On the GT3 you will replace rotors frequently due to cracks. Cracks which join 3 or more holes or any crack that goes to the edge of the rotor means the rotor needs to be replaced. I get about 25 track days out of mine.

Feel free to use the Orange for now. Be a bit careful on the street, the orange need a bit of heat to work and the first stop from cold will take longer than usual. Oh, yeah, they (orange) make a lot of noise when cold. Your neighbors will hate you if you leave early or arrive late.

Best,

 

Has anyone ran the Pagid RS29 Yellows for a street/DE/ autoX type application?

 

Shrews - I tried them and found them a bit "grabby". They have more initial bite than the RS 19 and are harder to modulate. Since the Gt3 doesn't need more braking power, I prefer the 19. This year I am going to try the 29 on the back to help balance the F/R braking. I'll report after a few track days.

Best,

 

Slightly OT, what are the yellow pads stock on the '04 GT3?

Per recommendation of Bob Brooks, I run Pagid Orange fronts, Black rears for the track, then shift back to the OE pads for street. Not a big deal swapping out the pads, but would prefer a single street/track set.

 

not according to pagid's friction graph. the yellows have better cold bite... great fro street driving. only when it gets really hot, the oranges have better bite.

the yellows are waaay too squeally for me. i even chanfered the edges but they still squealed.

 

thanks Bob, I actually have a set of rs29's ready to go on my gt3 so i'll see if i agree w/ your analysis.

 

Shrews - thanks, I'd be interested. Harry, the graph posted above shows what I said about the orange, you can see that they don't have as much friction as the 19 when both are cold. Once hot the orange is very effective. That's why I cautioned about the first stop from cold on the street.

best,

 

Bob, following the graph, it seems that the RS 19 are even better suited than the oranges for street/track driving ?? Do you leave them in the car the whole time ?

I have installed the oranges, Bedded them in and I didn't feel any difference on the way home compared to the previous OEM ones. I'l tell you tomorrow when braking for the first times.. Anyhow, I drove them cold from the shop to the highway and didn't feel any particular dangerous situation. It's true that I made all my best not to brake strongly...

BTW ( I installed them my self for the first time, as you commented in your very helpfull Post, it's a very easy thing to do..).

 

"Per recommendation of Bob Brooks, I run Pagid Orange fronts, Black rears for the track,.."

It seems that, folowing again the graph, this should cause stronger braking in the rear, which would not be my choice on a rainy track day... ( don't ask me why I wouldn't like it..). Wouldn't it be prefferable to be warned first by the front before having a problem in the rear..?

 

I have used (worn out) a set of the RS-14 and now use the Porsche Motorsport race pad on the street RS-15, front 360mm non floating AP rotors and the rear is PCCB.
They work great cold....great cold.
There is not much of a difference in squeal compared to the other Pagid pads I have used, my rotors still look good, I expect to get threw these pads with the same rotors as well.

As much as I am smooth with the brakes that's a good result for race pads and rotors use.