Hi again,

It is confirmed:
The new engine on the 997 GT3 will be a dry sump version of the 997 Carrera S 3.8 ltr.
Whether its good or bad? The fact is: It's not based on the GT1 racecar engine anymore!

I will keep my 996 GT3 mk2, as it is the pure and ultimate car developed in Weisach and based on race experience. Anyone havinging race stories on the 997 S 3.8 ltr engine??

Br,
GT3 Tom

 

The new engine on the 997 GT3 will be a dry sump version of the 997 Carrera S 3.8 ltr.
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what will the 2006 cup car engine be?
GT1 based 3.6? or something else?

 

A few observations on the spy pictures:

1) The front spoiler and bumper cap (except updrafting center radiator outlet) and rear spoiler appear identical to the Porsche Club Coupe model- the model built for PCA members.

2) The 997 GT3 pictured looks like it uses the C4 body with the wide rear fenders.

With the wide fenders, I bet the 997 GT3 requires more horsepower for the same top speed as the 996 GT3- a target Porsche would want to achieve one would think.

As for the horsepower, the cheapest way to make horsepower is to increase the displacement.

With the modular cylinders of the GT engine, it is easy to increase the displacement and as I pointed out before, Mahle already makes the parts....

 

Having posted the above, I think it would be great if Porsche updated the GT engine and included the best features of the 996 and GT3 engine, to make a more cost effective power unit. The GT engine is really a racing engine never conceived with series production in mind.

 

Did the person(s) confirming this forget the word 'integrated' in describing the dry sump? The current wet sump is described as an 'integrated dry sump'

Good, if you like playing Russian Roulette with the RMS issue.
Bad, if you enjoyed the lineage/reliability of the M64/GT1 dervied engines.

 

I tend to keep cars well past the warrantee period so the RMS issue is huge for me.

I can't imagine owning a Porsche out of warrantee wondering if the engine is suddenly going to require replacement.

 

this quote rings of the old 993 guys complaining that the 996 won't be a "real 911 Porsche".......just own up to the fact that "The Company" has rarely made a backward move wrt performance; thus, of course the 997GT3 won't be a "real" 996 GT3, but a better, faster version as the GT3 evolution continues.....that being said; I will stick to my club race 993 GT2R class race car for beating up on cup cars in races and use my 997 GT3 for DE and spirited road use.....

 

I didn't imply that it won't be a real Porsche, it just won't be a real GT3. If it doesn't have the GT1 based, titanium rodded, 8200 rpm screamer of a motor, and it doesn't have the rock solid, seam welded, stripped body that the 996 GT3 has, then it is not the same car. That does not necessarily mean that it is inferior for it's intended duty, but what it is will define what it is supposed to do. And as has been stated before, the 996 GT3 is the closest thing to a racecar that you can buy. The motor and many other items are virtually identical to what is in a cup car. Your so called "evolution of the GT3" appears to be towards a milder, more refined car.

 

so what are the odds of the GT1 based motor happening in this case?
also, correct me if I am wrong, but the stripped body(of creature comforts?) of the 996 was based on how the car was ordered, right?

what motor is being used in the current 997 cup cars?

does anyone have any concrete factory released info at all on the 997 GT3 at all? or is everything thus farjust simple gossip and hearsay?

believe me, I want the purest of stipped cars and the current 996 GT3 is it...I am just hoping that the 997 will continue to be as such and not a more refined car; else I will pull my deposit and seek a 996 GT3....for now, I will have to bide my time.

 

Re-read my logical conjecture in post #29.

No, the GT3 starts with a seam-welded C4 body, which makes it extremely stiff, but adds weight, so in order go get the car lighter, it has no sunroof, no sound-proofing, no insulation, and no undercoating. You could also delete the A/C and all of it's componants. Consider yourself corrected.

The 3.6L 996 GT3 Cup Car motor.

I don't know if that information has been released yet, but Nordschleif (R+S) on the Racing forum would know if anyone would.

Believe me, most of the GT3 enthusiasts here would like to see the 997 GT3 follow in the same vein. It just does not seem likely that it will go that way.

 

Who confirmed it?

Last I heard was this

"This morning in Verona 997gt3.com corrispondent met Walther Rohrl :

The new 997 Gt3 model is ready to be OFFICIALY PRESENTED from the manifacturer this week,the car will be on Naples (costiera Amalifitana ? ) for offical pictures .....

technical specs :

3800 cc , the engine is the OLD dry sump engine used in the 996 Gt3 , 415HP

the New 997 Gt3 runs in the Nurburgring Nordschelife in about 5 seconds less then 996 gt3 and 9 secods faster then F430 F1 (driven by Walther Rohrl)
" (sic)

They have pictures with Rohrl, it seems legitimate, I don't think they faked the encounter. Do you think that they misunderstood Rohrl?

 

Unless you work for Porsche or personally know someone at Porsche who is part of new product/vehicle development then you're just spreading RUMORS!!


My source DOES work at PAG in new product/vehicle development and they have told me to say the following without hesitation, the 997 GT3 will have a TRUE dry sump engine derived from the "OLD" 964/GT1 block period!! My source neither confirms nor denies the RUMOR that it will be 3.8L and whether or not it will have DSG/PDK. And one other thing the car will NOT weigh 2600 lbs. One can only dream that it would.

Oh, yeah I almost forgot, please don't believe what your stealer, I mean dealer is telling you and then come on Rennlist and post it as fact, they are NOT a reliable source.

Having said that here's my wish list:

997GT3:

1) 3.8L producing 430 bhp or more (it will be true dry sump derived from 964/GT1 block)
2) RS (996 GT3RS) type suspension or better
3) 3000 lbs or less
4) Carbon Fibre hood
5) Carbon Fibre decklid with cup car intake
6) NO SUNROOF or SAT NAV and NO CUP HOLDERS (on principle)
7) AC and Radio delete options
8) PCCB (optional)
9) DSG/PDK (optional)
10) No sound deadening junk
11) Interior of doors like the 993 RS but with Alcantara (optional)
12) Carbon Fibre roof ala 2006/7 BMW M6
13) No power windows (optional) (weight saving purposes)
14) Super light weight wheels
15) Light Fly wheel
16) Carbon Fibre fenders
17) Titanium exhaust
18) Light weight Seats (two only of course)
19) Oil Temp gauge

In other words stripped down, light weight RS version and all with an MSRP of $110K.

And one last thing...make it available in America!!

 

Porsche would never send that car to America, the crash testing alone would be in the millions.

 

They need to crash test the car anyways, no matter how it's going to be equipped (especially with the low ride height), so I don't see how that matters...

I also am confident of the dry-sump GT1 motor.

 

Back to the spy pics - it looks to me like there is NO sunroof.