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#20
The new GT3 would definitely be based on the old engine with a 3.8 displacment increa
Ok, then why not do it to the 997 Cup car? Nothing says they can't.
PEOPLE. THIS IS PORSCHE THE MOST PROFITABLE CAR COMPANY IN THE WORLD.
They are not going to make different displacement engines for the same engine. It would not only cost more money, but more time which equals more money.
No way no how, and then why not make the 3.8 for the 997 Cup car? The only person that make rules for the Cup challenge series is Porsche. And as far as using the car in Grand Am and ALMS and Le Mans, again, no reason why not run the 3.8l and just use ballast.
I still say and I will eat my words if I am wrong that IF they use a 3.8l in the 997 GT3, it will not be the same GT1 derived engine in the 997 GT3 Cup car.
PEOPLE. THIS IS PORSCHE THE MOST PROFITABLE CAR COMPANY IN THE WORLD.
They are not going to make different displacement engines for the same engine. It would not only cost more money, but more time which equals more money.
No way no how, and then why not make the 3.8 for the 997 Cup car? The only person that make rules for the Cup challenge series is Porsche. And as far as using the car in Grand Am and ALMS and Le Mans, again, no reason why not run the 3.8l and just use ballast.
I still say and I will eat my words if I am wrong that IF they use a 3.8l in the 997 GT3, it will not be the same GT1 derived engine in the 997 GT3 Cup car.
#21
the new Daytona Spec Grand-am M64/GT1 derived motors are 3.9L
Just a thought - but there is a proven path to 3.8L with the GT1 Power plant. Also the Carrera Cup series could easily move up to 3.8L with the new iteration of the cup car.
just a thought
Just a thought - but there is a proven path to 3.8L with the GT1 Power plant. Also the Carrera Cup series could easily move up to 3.8L with the new iteration of the cup car.
just a thought
#22
Originally Posted by Tom Tom
Hi guys,
I've got the confirmation that the new engine on the 997 GT3 will be a dry sump version of the 997 Carrera S. Is that good or bad? The fact is: It's not based on the GT1 racecar engine anymore!
Br,
GT3 Tom
I've got the confirmation that the new engine on the 997 GT3 will be a dry sump version of the 997 Carrera S. Is that good or bad? The fact is: It's not based on the GT1 racecar engine anymore!
Br,
GT3 Tom
#23
The 997 Turbo engine will be dry-sump displacing at least 3.8 litres, so we can assume the 997 GT3 will be the same, just without the turbos, variable valve lift and forged aluminum connecting rods [titanium].
#25
I'm not sure I understand all the mis-information, the Cup cars have the dry sump engine and they have traditionally used the same engine with a few minor alterations. The weight is Not going to be 2600, or anything close to that, they would have to strip everything out of the street version to meet that weight figure.
#28
Originally Posted by cosmos
I still say and I will eat my words if I am wrong that IF they use a 3.8l in the 997 GT3, it will not be the same GT1 derived engine in the 997 GT3 Cup car.
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#29
There are a lot of differing opinions posted here on the new 997 GT3, and some of them seem to be wish list items rather than logical extrapolation.
The first is on the weight. The 997 GT3 will not weigh less than a 996 GT3, it will weight more, just like a 997 weighs more than a 996. If there were huge sums of weight to be pulled out of the car, they would have done this with the 996 GT3.
There are 3 possible motor configurations. They could stay with the current GT3 motor at 3.6L, or they could go to the 997S wet sump motor with a few more hp. The least logical motor would be the current GT3 motor punched out to 3.8L. It would be the most expensive option, especially as they are not putting it into any other car right now.
That being said, they may have to do that for the car to sell. The 996 GT3 has proven to be too hardcore for a large segment of Porsche buyers, and now that everyone knows what a GT3 is, there will not be the throng of unaware buyers for the "latest and greatest". This car may have to prove it's value. And with the usual model price increases, and standard PCCB's, I do not see the car coming in at less than $125,000 base cost. Remember that a 997 Cup Car costs $25,000 more than the last 996 Cup Car.
As 996 GT3s are finally starting to become scarce, and their current base value is around $80 to $90K, it will be hard to justify a step up to $125,000 unless there is a real step up in performance. And if it is really a glorified 997S, well it won't sell at all unless it's price just above the 997S, like around $100K. Porsche doesn't build loss leaders, and $100K won't buy the good stuff, so if that is the case, then it won't be a real GT3.
Just my thoughts.
The first is on the weight. The 997 GT3 will not weigh less than a 996 GT3, it will weight more, just like a 997 weighs more than a 996. If there were huge sums of weight to be pulled out of the car, they would have done this with the 996 GT3.
There are 3 possible motor configurations. They could stay with the current GT3 motor at 3.6L, or they could go to the 997S wet sump motor with a few more hp. The least logical motor would be the current GT3 motor punched out to 3.8L. It would be the most expensive option, especially as they are not putting it into any other car right now.
That being said, they may have to do that for the car to sell. The 996 GT3 has proven to be too hardcore for a large segment of Porsche buyers, and now that everyone knows what a GT3 is, there will not be the throng of unaware buyers for the "latest and greatest". This car may have to prove it's value. And with the usual model price increases, and standard PCCB's, I do not see the car coming in at less than $125,000 base cost. Remember that a 997 Cup Car costs $25,000 more than the last 996 Cup Car.
As 996 GT3s are finally starting to become scarce, and their current base value is around $80 to $90K, it will be hard to justify a step up to $125,000 unless there is a real step up in performance. And if it is really a glorified 997S, well it won't sell at all unless it's price just above the 997S, like around $100K. Porsche doesn't build loss leaders, and $100K won't buy the good stuff, so if that is the case, then it won't be a real GT3.
Just my thoughts.
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Larry Herman
2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
2018 Tesla Model 3 - Electricity can be fun!
Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car
CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.
Last edited by Larry Herman; 01-08-2006 at 12:21 AM.
#30
Originally Posted by Larry Herman
....or they could go to the 997S wet sump motor