Z06 Ring Time
09-03-2005, 09:30 PM
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Z06 Ring Time
Anyone think this speaks of immense insecurity that they took one of the top GT racing drivers in the world to beat the RS? Love to know what Jan could do in an RS given he's at the top of his game, and Walter, whilst obviosly very good isn't competing at that level now.
I found this list of ring times on the web the other day, but it seems to have an incorrect time for the z06 (says 7.40).
Apologies if this has been covered here before. I did search the forum.
Must confess I'm getting bored of this ring thing now anyway. Its getting more pointless by the year.
Scanned from a recent issue of "Bilmagasinet" - danish car mag.
Interview with Jan Magnussen about (among other things) his record lap at NBR.
Here´s a translation:
[Top pic, Magnussen and Vette:]
Thursday morning, Southern Germany. General Motors have discreetly rented the legendary german Nürburgring track for an hour between 7 and 8 in the morning.
The temperature is more comfortable than at Le Mans, and the track is empty apart from a couple of early rising spy photographers.
It takes more than a blue Vette to exite them - they recognize it, it´s the Z06 version, the brutal Vette with 500 BHP. What they do not know, is that it´s Jan Magnussen behind the wheel.
The objective is to beat Walther Rörhl´s laptime in a Porsce GT3 RS - it´s 7:43,0 min for the 20,8 km heavily varied track with 73 corners.
The record was set in 2004 in a standard version of the Porsche.
[Splash in middle]
Jan made 7:42,9 thereby beating the Porsche GT3 RS by 0,1 sec.
[Two lower photos]
"The photo is taken at Flugplatz. I´m going 240-250 km/h at full throttle in 4th gear and the car is actually jumping twice: After the first jump it lands so hard that it takes off again, as you can see in the second picture. As it lands the second time I have to take a sharp right immediately after.
The car is a standard car with street setup - had it been my racer it would hardly have left the tarmac. At NBR the street car reaches 295 km/h on the long straight in 5th gear (6th gear is an overgear for saving gasoline). At NBR there are no run-off areas like other tracks,. You simply have to stay on the track. When you are halfway around the 20 km, you think it´s a good thing there are only half as many places left you risk running off the track" Jan says.
[About the track and the car]
"The stree Corbette has virtually no grip compared to my race car which has a large rear spoiler. But it does have almost as many BHPs as my Le Mans racer and is almost as fast. The rev limiter sets in at 7000 rpms, and it does have more than 500 BHPs.
It´s fast.At the record attempt I drove 2 x 2 laps with a cooldown lap in between for both mine and the car´s sake.
I couldn´t have driven one single lap more. I wouldn´t have liked to drive a single meter (3 feet) more with myself at the wheel at that speed", Jan finishes.
Interview with Jan Magnussen about (among other things) his record lap at NBR.
Here´s a translation:
[Top pic, Magnussen and Vette:]
Thursday morning, Southern Germany. General Motors have discreetly rented the legendary german Nürburgring track for an hour between 7 and 8 in the morning.
The temperature is more comfortable than at Le Mans, and the track is empty apart from a couple of early rising spy photographers.
It takes more than a blue Vette to exite them - they recognize it, it´s the Z06 version, the brutal Vette with 500 BHP. What they do not know, is that it´s Jan Magnussen behind the wheel.
The objective is to beat Walther Rörhl´s laptime in a Porsce GT3 RS - it´s 7:43,0 min for the 20,8 km heavily varied track with 73 corners.
The record was set in 2004 in a standard version of the Porsche.
[Splash in middle]
Jan made 7:42,9 thereby beating the Porsche GT3 RS by 0,1 sec.
[Two lower photos]
"The photo is taken at Flugplatz. I´m going 240-250 km/h at full throttle in 4th gear and the car is actually jumping twice: After the first jump it lands so hard that it takes off again, as you can see in the second picture. As it lands the second time I have to take a sharp right immediately after.
The car is a standard car with street setup - had it been my racer it would hardly have left the tarmac. At NBR the street car reaches 295 km/h on the long straight in 5th gear (6th gear is an overgear for saving gasoline). At NBR there are no run-off areas like other tracks,. You simply have to stay on the track. When you are halfway around the 20 km, you think it´s a good thing there are only half as many places left you risk running off the track" Jan says.
[About the track and the car]
"The stree Corbette has virtually no grip compared to my race car which has a large rear spoiler. But it does have almost as many BHPs as my Le Mans racer and is almost as fast. The rev limiter sets in at 7000 rpms, and it does have more than 500 BHPs.
It´s fast.At the record attempt I drove 2 x 2 laps with a cooldown lap in between for both mine and the car´s sake.
I couldn´t have driven one single lap more. I wouldn´t have liked to drive a single meter (3 feet) more with myself at the wheel at that speed", Jan finishes.
I found this list of ring times on the web the other day, but it seems to have an incorrect time for the z06 (says 7.40).
Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 hp (2004), >>> www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Jörg Müller (practice 24hrs race 2003)
7:12 --- 173.600 km/h – Radical SR3 Turbo race car, 320 PS/500 kgs (test drive 07/2003)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h – Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Müller, 24 hrs practice 2002
7:18.01 169.311 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, M. Düchting, sport auto 12/2004, http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=13957
7:19 --- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> www.radicalmotorsport.com/ne...liefe/index.php
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl,(Autobild July 2004)
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time Horst Von Saurma (sport auto 01/2004)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) >>> www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h – Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, >>> www.koenigsegg.com/news/arti...=&type=news
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen (AutoBild 7/2005) (*mfr.), >>> www.supercars.net/PitLane?vi...0&tID=44953
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h – Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) >>> www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Röhrl (MOTOR Magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at >>> www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), >>> www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) www.autobild.de/tuning/testb...artikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h – Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bre...vx504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg, >>> www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/de...topic_id=731907
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/2003)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/2004)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h – Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bPS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/2003)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 hp (2004), >>> www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Jörg Müller (practice 24hrs race 2003)
7:12 --- 173.600 km/h – Radical SR3 Turbo race car, 320 PS/500 kgs (test drive 07/2003)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h – Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Müller, 24 hrs practice 2002
7:18.01 169.311 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, M. Düchting, sport auto 12/2004, http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=13957
7:19 --- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> www.radicalmotorsport.com/ne...liefe/index.php
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl,(Autobild July 2004)
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time Horst Von Saurma (sport auto 01/2004)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) >>> www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h – Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, >>> www.koenigsegg.com/news/arti...=&type=news
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen (AutoBild 7/2005) (*mfr.), >>> www.supercars.net/PitLane?vi...0&tID=44953
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h – Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) >>> www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Röhrl (MOTOR Magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at >>> www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), >>> www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) www.autobild.de/tuning/testb...artikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h – Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bre...vx504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg, >>> www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/de...topic_id=731907
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/2003)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/2004)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h – Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bPS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/2003)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)
Must confess I'm getting bored of this ring thing now anyway. Its getting more pointless by the year.
09-04-2005, 03:01 AM
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Sounds like GM themselves are a little insecure, publishing laptimes on pre-productions 'vettes... 
Z06 is a great car, no doubt, but I'm waiting for laptimes on actual production vehicles.
Road & Track tested the 2006 Z06 in Europe:
0 - 60 mph 4.2
0 - 100 mph 9.0
1/4 mile 12.3 @ 116.6 mph
Z06 is a great car, no doubt, but I'm waiting for laptimes on actual production vehicles.Road & Track tested the 2006 Z06 in Europe:
0 - 60 mph 4.2
0 - 100 mph 9.0
1/4 mile 12.3 @ 116.6 mph
09-04-2005, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by watt
7.43 is 7.43 and the insecurity is yours
now let's see 997 GT2 at 7.33
now let's see 997 GT2 at 7.33
I'm not the one hauling a professional race driver out to the ring to try and prove my car is better than some icon, and then only managing to do it by such a vanishlingly small margin that its utterly meaningless anyway. I'd say the insecurity was theirs
Enjoy your z06
09-04-2005, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DanH
I'm not the one hauling a professional race driver out to the ring to try and prove my car is better than some icon, and then only managing to do it by such a vanishlingly small margin that its utterly meaningless anyway. I'd say the insecurity was theirs
Enjoy your z06
09-04-2005, 11:12 AM
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I don't think people considering a Z06 will be swayed one way or the other by plus or minus 0.1 seconds around the Ring. As I recall, the Porsche record was set on a standard factory test day with traffic, rendering that 0.1 meaningless anyway.
I'm actually surprised the Z06 wasn't faster than that.
I think what we'll find out as we begin seeing these cars at the track, that while the absolute limits are probably somewhat close to a GT3/GT2 (Z06 might have the edge), the amateurs driving them at DEs and the like will appear much much faster than the Pcar crowd because of their immense power and easy to drive demeanor. I drove a 450bhp modded Z06 just on some local roads, and it was very tractable despite the impressive power, even a newbie could be decently fast in a car like that...
I'm actually surprised the Z06 wasn't faster than that.
I think what we'll find out as we begin seeing these cars at the track, that while the absolute limits are probably somewhat close to a GT3/GT2 (Z06 might have the edge), the amateurs driving them at DEs and the like will appear much much faster than the Pcar crowd because of their immense power and easy to drive demeanor. I drove a 450bhp modded Z06 just on some local roads, and it was very tractable despite the impressive power, even a newbie could be decently fast in a car like that...
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09-04-2005, 01:10 PM
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Be interesting to see if the z06 penetrates into Europe at all. It has very Americanised styling, although undoubtedly better than previous gen corvettes, I'm not sure its to Euro taste.
09-04-2005, 03:03 PM
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Anyone think this speaks of immense insecurity that they took one of the top GT racing drivers in the world to beat the RS? Love to know what Jan could do in an RS given he's at the top of his game, and Walter, whilst obviosly very good isn't competing at that level now.
Apologies if this has been covered here before. I did search the forum.
Must confess I'm getting bored of this ring thing now anyway. Its getting more pointless by the year.
Apologies if this has been covered here before. I did search the forum.
Must confess I'm getting bored of this ring thing now anyway. Its getting more pointless by the year.
The situation reminds me of some retarded third world leader buying a Harvard or Oxford degree (purchasing credibility) then being elected to office and prorogating more deception and lies. At some point you could pay the price with your life. When a Z06 rolls over on a track or hits a passenger car with a family on a country road (as I have witnessed) becaue of a defect it DOESN’T make a headline because it was expected .. it's JUST another CHEVY after all!
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I couldn´t have driven one single lap more. I wouldn´t have liked to drive a single meter (3 feet) more with myself at the wheel at that speed", Jan finishes.
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Huh, so much for a real race car driver and for a suitable track car! I have done some 300 laps at the Nurburgring in various sports cars and never felt that I was sick of it after a lap or two, so the Vette must be a beast to drive fast.
The pictures of the Vette lifting at the Pflantzgarten section (not Flugplatz as mentioned in the article) indicates that the handling is not up to the job of being a proper Ring/race/trackday tool. Any Porsche post 1994 does not have such lousy handling that it would lift like that at Pflanzgarten. The shown poor handling Vette must be making up time on the straight sections resulting in a rather quick time over all.
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I couldn´t have driven one single lap more. I wouldn´t have liked to drive a single meter (3 feet) more with myself at the wheel at that speed", Jan finishes.
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Huh, so much for a real race car driver and for a suitable track car! I have done some 300 laps at the Nurburgring in various sports cars and never felt that I was sick of it after a lap or two, so the Vette must be a beast to drive fast.
The pictures of the Vette lifting at the Pflantzgarten section (not Flugplatz as mentioned in the article) indicates that the handling is not up to the job of being a proper Ring/race/trackday tool. Any Porsche post 1994 does not have such lousy handling that it would lift like that at Pflanzgarten. The shown poor handling Vette must be making up time on the straight sections resulting in a rather quick time over all.
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09-05-2005, 10:45 AM
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The C-6 Z06 has an additional 100 hp. and did the ring in 7:43 vs. the C-5 Z06's 7:56... and Y'all think it's.... SLOW !!!
Bring it to the track !!!
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