Update on 997GT3 engine
#16
Originally Posted by NJ-GT
No, the current 996GT3 is not producing that power, is producing way more than that.
My car is running 377rwhp, totally stock with BMC air filter. There are car running higher numbers. A 997S is producing around 305-310rwhp stock.
My car is running 377rwhp, totally stock with BMC air filter. There are car running higher numbers. A 997S is producing around 305-310rwhp stock.
Porsche tests each engine before they put it into the car. If it doesn't make enough power, it goes back to the engine plant, if it makes too much power, it goes back to the engine plant. We know that the stated power for the Cup cars is reasonably close, given the bell curve nature of the population, and we know that their engines put out more power than the GT3RS (street not race) cars, and they, in turn put out more power than the GT3 cars, so go figure....
You may be confusing the better drivability of the GT3 compared to the TT with more power, but that is NOT the case. Its one reason why so many people enjoy driving non-turbo cars, instantaneous response.
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PS and please don't tell me what you got on the dyno......"How much power do you want,sir?"
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Originally Posted by NJ-GT
No, the current 996GT3 is not producing that power, is producing way more than that.
My car is running 377rwhp, totally stock with BMC air filter. There are car running higher numbers. A 997S is producing around 305-310rwhp stock.
My car is running 377rwhp, totally stock with BMC air filter. There are car running higher numbers. A 997S is producing around 305-310rwhp stock.
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Not scientific sorry, I've beaten many a GT2 around the track, that doesn't mean my car is faster, just that I am more comfortable driving at faster speeds. Your dude in the TT may have pulled back going over 140 on a HSO. It can be scary.
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I know this 997 GT3 engine question has been debated for some time now across the board but as far as I am concerned the decision is a given. The GT3 represents an "enthusiest's" car. There is no BSing that sector of Porsche's followers. Why would the Porsche's leadership choose anything but a 3.8L dry sump engine? A fairly higher percentage (10-15%) of these cars are used on the track so moving to a wet sump motor would be a poor decision. As far as a 3.6 vs. 3.8 liter engine it only makes financial sense to move "all" the 911 series to one engine platform as soon as possible. Having two engines in inventory only increases the working capital and cost across the entire system. If Porsche goes to anything other than a 3.8 L dry sump engine on the next GT3 I will be stunned. As far as the GT3 coming to the U.S. .... well they initially stated that 750 would come to N.A. and now it looks like 900+. I would say they little run of GT3 was most profitable. I will guarantee that the next version of the GT3 is destined for the states. Just my .02 cents worth.
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Originally Posted by jax911TT
I know this 997 GT3 engine question has been debated for some time now across the board but as far as I am concerned the decision is a given. The GT3 represents an "enthusiest's" car. There is no BSing that sector of Porsche's followers. Why would the Porsche's leadership choose anything but a 3.8L dry sump engine? A fairly higher percentage (10-15%) of these cars are used on the track so moving to a wet sump motor would be a poor decision. As far as a 3.6 vs. 3.8 liter engine it only makes financial sense to move "all" the 911 series to one engine platform as soon as possible. Having two engines in inventory only increases the working capital and cost across the entire system. If Porsche goes to anything other than a 3.8 L dry sump engine on the next GT3 I will be stunned. As far as the GT3 coming to the U.S. .... well they initially stated that 750 would come to N.A. and now it looks like 900+. I would say they little run of GT3 was most profitable. I will guarantee that the next version of the GT3 is destined for the states. Just my .02 cents worth.
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Originally Posted by jax911TT
I know this 997 GT3 engine question has been debated for some time now across the board but as far as I am concerned the decision is a given. The GT3 represents an "enthusiest's" car. There is no BSing that sector of Porsche's followers. Why would the Porsche's leadership choose anything but a 3.8L dry sump engine? A fairly higher percentage (10-15%) of these cars are used on the track so moving to a wet sump motor would be a poor decision. As far as a 3.6 vs. 3.8 liter engine it only makes financial sense to move "all" the 911 series to one engine platform as soon as possible. Having two engines in inventory only increases the working capital and cost across the entire system. If Porsche goes to anything other than a 3.8 L dry sump engine on the next GT3 I will be stunned. As far as the GT3 coming to the U.S. .... well they initially stated that 750 would come to N.A. and now it looks like 900+. I would say they little run of GT3 was most profitable. I will guarantee that the next version of the GT3 is destined for the states. Just my .02 cents worth.
I'm starting to come around to the school of thought that the next GT3 will be more of a 997S+. The easiest way to sell more units is to broaden the appeal by making it less of a track car and more of a beefed-up grand touring car. The profitablility of the 996 GT3 was probably not as high as you think when you factor in all the development work (look at how different it is from a regular 996) and the relatively small number of units sold. So, it wouldn't shock me to see the next GT3 have a tweaked version of the current S motor and more creature comforts.
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Originally Posted by cosmos
I for one hope that the next GT3 is a glorified 997s+.
I would like to keep my 996 GT3 and get the 997s+ as a street car.
I would like to keep my 996 GT3 and get the 997s+ as a street car.
Awefully selfish IMHO. I guess it sucks to be the people who won't get to buy a GT3 before a couple generations from now.
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Originally Posted by Yargk
Awefully selfish IMHO. I guess it sucks to be the people who won't get to buy a GT3 before a couple generations from now.
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No,
I think Porsche will sell out. The only thing PNA cares about anymore is the bottom line. If that means making a watered down version of the GT3 in the 997, then so be it.
I think Porsche will sell out. The only thing PNA cares about anymore is the bottom line. If that means making a watered down version of the GT3 in the 997, then so be it.
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I believe it could make sense for Porsche to use the 997S engine in the 997 GT3 because I suspect they could basically bypass the federal approval process if they proceed that way.
Basically, the 997 GT3 would be a standard 997S less some stuff and with some better suspensions. I don't know what exactly constitutes a new car from a fed point of view but clearly, the federal certification must be expensive for a low volume model.
I for one will wait for the exact specs before ordering. I doubt I’ll replace my GT2 with a 997 S + / - a few goodies.
AW
Basically, the 997 GT3 would be a standard 997S less some stuff and with some better suspensions. I don't know what exactly constitutes a new car from a fed point of view but clearly, the federal certification must be expensive for a low volume model.
I for one will wait for the exact specs before ordering. I doubt I’ll replace my GT2 with a 997 S + / - a few goodies.
AW
#30
Originally Posted by cosmos
No,
I think Porsche will sell out. The only thing PNA cares about anymore is the bottom line. If that means making a watered down version of the GT3 in the 997, then so be it.
I think Porsche will sell out. The only thing PNA cares about anymore is the bottom line. If that means making a watered down version of the GT3 in the 997, then so be it.
GT3 Mk2
GT3RS
GT3RSR
GT2
CGT
The only thing they care about is the bottom line ?
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