Besides the one make series like the SuperCup which obviously don't require homologation, where else have you seen 997 Cup cars participate?

 

Haven't we discussed this before? Maybe some other board. Anyway, I would bet big money that on equal tires the 430 is significantly faster on any road course than the CS. It is certainly MUCH faster in a straight line. Ferrari shows a very small advantage (less than a second) to the CS at Fiorano that is entirely due to its R-compound tires. Even that up and the 430 walks away, no doubt in my mind. Only possible exception: go-kart tracks.

Gary

 

CS is dialed for the track-don't know if 430 is but for comparo reasons let's just say the c5 z06 versus the stock c6-both pushing similar power numbers. Which would be better performer at the track? I kno that the 430 has way better trq numbers then the 360 cs but seems at the track it comes down to is all the trq useful(being fully utilized ie CS/GT3) or just meant for straightline. Regards. Mike

 

and bumpy mountain roads where 300# is 300#
i'll do a comparo when i get my 430, my bet is on the strad in the santa monica mtns

 

Pedsurg - Jack, You are certainly more qualifed in making the comparison between the 996 and 997 having owned both. I am only drawing on some time behind the wheel of both model 997's compared to my prior 03 996 C2 and my current ride. Just curious the 996 you owned was that an early model 3.4 or a later 3.6 with variocam. Thanks for your reply and enjoy the new ride!

 

Qmile - My Gt3 is faster on a track than the CS. The tests made to compare them were a little unfair. The CS comes on R compound tires and the GT3 does not. The RS did however. What makes you think that the 430 is not as fast as a CS? The weight is similar and the 430 has a lot more power.I was very impressed with the 430 at Monza lasr October. Now a 7 year wait list in the US apparently.
Regards,

 

billatlanta: My 996 was a 2002 C2.
Jack

 

Unfortunately I don't get to see much GT racing and cannot say I've even seen a 997 Cup car on T.V. However a quick look on the Porsche website under International GT Sport shows that Robin Liddell will be driving a 2005 Cup car in the 2005 SCCA World Challenge. There might be more but I havent looked. I understand Porsche only started delivering the new Cup cars in March.

 

Well you were in the car already so you can better judge than me ... but you probably had some fine wine just before, and that F430 sounds so sweet on Monza. The numbers tell the truth on these two. Almost identical aerodynamics and gearbox ... one is 425hp@2800lbs the other 480hp@3200lbs (these are Ferrari's specs.) which one is faster? If you calculate the quartermile you will see they are nearly the same ... so equal accleration. Where the CS wins is it carries 400lbs less weight into each corner and when braking.

Porsche's response to the F430 is the 997 TT. A luxury car with big hp numbers, bragging rights, bling, but no real performance. Same as the C6 Z06. The 997 GT3 will be the response to the F430 CS .. now that is a car worth the wait or you can have a CGT right now

 

Michael -I think I understand why we disagree. The weight of the CS seems to be off. The CS I drove and had been corner balanced a few days before. The weight slip showed 3213 lbs including a 140 lb driver. He was surprised too since he was expecting something closer to the 2800 lbs which is in the specs. As it turns out 2800# is the lightweight version with no AC, radio etc. and with Lexan windows. The 'normal' CS weighs about as much as the GT3 - the scales don't lie. In the end the 430 is closer to the weight of the CS than the raw specs would lead us to believe. With more power and torque and a number of interesting technical tweaks, it came as no surprise that the 430 felt quicker although I could not do a back to back and it may all be subjective. There is no doubt in my mind that the 480 HP is real though. That engine is strong.

FWIW I also agree that the 997 GT3 will be a 3.6 dry sump because the race-car exists and for homologation there can't be a difference. In Europe they spedculate on a GT3 RS much closer to the race car and a more luxurious GT3. I hope this isn't true.

Rgds,

 

Jeeva,

Sorry, have basically nothing.
My guess is it won't happen, at least in a form that would spank 911.

I've even heard people talking about Cayman with GT3 engine, that won't happen.

 

Yesterday, I got the following information from a not reliable source in the Porsche world:

1- There is going to be a Cayman Club Sport. No A/C, No Radio, looking for 2700lbs target weight.
2- A 997GT3 will be available next year in US with a stronger version of the 997S engine.

BMW did that in the past. They brought the E30M3 (the real deal), and for the E36 they brought the M3 body with a fake powetrain that sold more than the E30M3.

For homologation, Porsche can build a 997GT3RS with the dry sump engine on a small enough number to satisfy the rules.

 

NJ-GT - sounds like you and I have been getting the same info.

Rgds,

 

Thanks

 

Was the scaling down in the states or in Europe?
There is NO WAY you can make up for 270 lbs with AC, radio and Lexan alone. That means the European version must come with some CF body panels, Lexan, no 5MPH bumber, no airbags, etc. So basically an emission friendly Challenge car. I have already done or (about to do) most of these changes on my GT3, so can't wait to get it on a scale. My guess is it will be 27xx lbs.