cosmos

Wow the 997 looks so much like the 959 from the front.

Sloth

Porsche has already bumped the 964 case engines up to 3.8L in the 964RS/RSR and 993RS/RSR/GT2/Cup cars.

Went to view the new 997 this morning. FWIW, according to my local dealership the new GT3 engine will be based on an enhanced version of the Carrera S engine.

craigsduc

Come on boys............................Porsche isn,t stupid................you see an add in Autoweek and all of a sudden.................youv,e cast is stone what they are to build..................The fact of the matter is you really don,t know what is coming...............be patient..................I,m sure it will be an improvement over the current GT3. Early pics of prototypes often are very misleading.....FYI

20C4S

997 GT3 what?? enjoy the 996 GT3 now & worry about the 997 later. all the rumor out there are BS til the new one really shows up.

gtdrei

My deposit is in, if I like it, I take it. If not....no dice. I'm willing to wait and see. Porsche may do the right thing. If it's a wet sump, I may skip early production and opt for very late, or not at all. I've had bad luck with early production new models from Porsche.

Robin

thebigmboy

I all of you skeptics of the 997 need to go drive one. I cannot express how amazing the feeling is of that car. I have had a 02 turbo coupe and now drive a 04 turbo cabriolet. I went to the dealer and drove the 997S and was blown away. Everything has more feeling and better feeling, from the brakes to the steering. The interior is beautiful, the fit and finish isfar and above the 996. Though like most of you I liked the 996- and 993 better until I really took a good look at the 997. The power was soo linear and torque was up tremendously. In some instances the power curve felt very similar to my turbo.

Anyways go take a test-drive before you make up your minds.

ringmeister

I never trust Autoweek for anything. They have really gone downhill over the past couple years and it seems more often than not they are wrong when they think they have a scoop.

GrantG

Even the next Corvette Z06 (with over 500hp and under 3,000 lbs) will have a dry sump motor...

Mongo

Guys I am sure the Porsche engineers had done numerous testing on this setup for the new GT3. These are engineers for Christ's sake, not little kids building Legos. Maybe Porsche is using the 997S crankcase for cost cutting reasons; maybe they aren't because they found that its a more reliable engine with such high displacement.

Look at it this way; this is a liquid cooled wet sump engine not oil cooled. The cooling of 2 radiators and sufficient airflow and coolant flow should not plague reliability on the new GT3 engine. Afterall, I'm sure Porsche tested these issues vigorously before deciding to shove this engine in the back of one of their road rockets.

Andy

GrantG

Andy - The dry sump is needed for high-g cornering and it's irrelevant whether it's oil or water cooled. This is why the 996 and Boxster cannot be used with slick tires - they will suffer oil starvation. This is a major reason (aside from general rubustness) that the 996TT, GT2/3 (as well as every 911 variant from 1964-1998) have a dry sump where the others do not...

XSpeedFreakX

The 997 GT3 Cup has already been developed and displayed as most of you know. Plenty of people in the know have had the basic specifications shared with them. The answer to the question of which engine the 997 GT3 uses is the logical choice that most of you have already stated. Here's another hint. The Cup car and the street version would NEVER, EVER utilize a different engine. Those of you who used basic logic on this topic should congratulate yourselves.

Mongo

Grant, I'm just wondering if the engineers might have just finally made a fix for the wet-sump issue. I cannot really protest about Porsche's new engine setups since I haven't really heard many complaints about the 997 from the point of an owner.

Andy

GrantG

Andy - I think dry sump will always be superior for several reasons (some of which are over my head), including a lower center of gravity and resistance to oil starvation. Certainly, they may eventually develop the wet sump to be better than it currently is, but it will never be the equal of the dry sump for performance (it's only used to save money). The oiling system in the 997 is basically unchanged from the 996 AFAIK...

Mongo

Grant I couldn't agree with you more on dry-sump. IMO I wish Porsche never thought of doing wet to a flat 6 engine. Dealing with cornering and starvation issues have always worried me with my 944. I am hoping that Porsche has found some solution to not completely cure the starvation issue, but to reduce the risks of it harming your motor severely.

But; this is why I'm buying a GT2 when I'm 30

Andy

GrantG

Sounds like a plan How long 'til we get there?