996 GT3 - Track/Daily Build
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sweet thread. soooo tempting to follow you down the rabbit hole... but I think I only need more noises. does the BMC filter make any difference in noise/performance?
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Welcome to the Club. Here is a list that overlaps some of what has been disclosed already:
RS Flywheel;
Pin/Weld Coolant Pipes;
997 RS shifter (feels great);
996 Cup split rear lower arms;
Metal Brake Lines (SRF Fluid);
Pagid Yellow RS29 front pads;
Pagid Black RS14 rear pads;
Proper alignment (kasamul (sp) good starting point);
Cup front lip;
Rear wing 8 degree angle adjusters;
Rollbar with Harnesses;
GT3 Euro seats (or similar);
Front bumper grills (protect those radiators); and
Guard internals for differential.
Good luck.
Chet
RS Flywheel;
Pin/Weld Coolant Pipes;
997 RS shifter (feels great);
996 Cup split rear lower arms;
Metal Brake Lines (SRF Fluid);
Pagid Yellow RS29 front pads;
Pagid Black RS14 rear pads;
Proper alignment (kasamul (sp) good starting point);
Cup front lip;
Rear wing 8 degree angle adjusters;
Rollbar with Harnesses;
GT3 Euro seats (or similar);
Front bumper grills (protect those radiators); and
Guard internals for differential.
Good luck.
Chet
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DONE - see earlier in post
Lots more to come. Example: previous 996 track build
Lots more to come. Example: previous 996 track build
Welcome to the Club. Here is a list that overlaps some of what has been disclosed already:
RS Flywheel;
Pin/Weld Coolant Pipes;
997 RS shifter (feels great);
996 Cup split rear lower arms;
Metal Brake Lines (SRF Fluid);
Pagid Yellow RS29 front pads;
Pagid Black RS14 rear pads;
Proper alignment (kasamul (sp) good starting point);
Cup front lip;
Rear wing8 degree angle adjusters;
Rollbar with Harnesses;
GT3 Euro seats (or similar);
Front bumper grills (protect those radiators); and
Guard internals for differential.
Good luck.
Chet
RS Flywheel;
Pin/Weld Coolant Pipes;
997 RS shifter (feels great);
996 Cup split rear lower arms;
Metal Brake Lines (SRF Fluid);
Pagid Yellow RS29 front pads;
Pagid Black RS14 rear pads;
Proper alignment (kasamul (sp) good starting point);
Cup front lip;
Rear wing8 degree angle adjusters;
Rollbar with Harnesses;
GT3 Euro seats (or similar);
Front bumper grills (protect those radiators); and
Guard internals for differential.
Good luck.
Chet
Last edited by vandersmith; 03-23-2018 at 07:46 PM.
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Amazing build thus far! Sub'd - though I'm curious, what are your impressions going from a C4S to the GT3? similarities? differences? driving characteristics?
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Wow. Lots of work and good improvements.
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Great thread, if you don't mind me asking as I seen you replaced a lot of things, are these questions that should be asked before purchasing the car? Are the motors and cars reliable for the track (ims issue or anything else).
Lastly what kind of lift is that.
thanks you and subscribed
Lastly what kind of lift is that.
thanks you and subscribed
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The cars are very reliable and good, but 13-14 Year old and 85,000 miles, some solid maintenance is required.
That again, it depends on use. Looks like OP will track it and it was never track prepped so that takes a little more work.
For weekend canyon driving, not much required.
That again, it depends on use. Looks like OP will track it and it was never track prepped so that takes a little more work.
For weekend canyon driving, not much required.
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The car is a meant to be a perfectly sorted daily driver/track car. My goal is to keep this for an exceptionally long time and do everything right the first time.
As a PCA instructor, its important for me to state that Pinned/Welded coolant pipes are required for GT1 cars both GT3s & Turbos (read: not recommended, required) for a number of club events. Check with your local region or search here. Pinning the pipes after much research was always a large part of my plan for the car, it just turned out that it was both cost efficient and unfortunate that a lot more things needed to be addressed.
Here's the current build sheet of everything we've done since I took ownership of the car in December 17. Bear in mind that this car although it did come with 85k miles, it also came with 1" of service documentation since 2005 and passed Porsche PPI. It had every indication of being a well maintained example.
Maintenance Items:
Cooling:
Cooling:
As a PCA instructor, its important for me to state that Pinned/Welded coolant pipes are required for GT1 cars both GT3s & Turbos (read: not recommended, required) for a number of club events. Check with your local region or search here. Pinning the pipes after much research was always a large part of my plan for the car, it just turned out that it was both cost efficient and unfortunate that a lot more things needed to be addressed.
Here's the current build sheet of everything we've done since I took ownership of the car in December 17. Bear in mind that this car although it did come with 85k miles, it also came with 1" of service documentation since 2005 and passed Porsche PPI. It had every indication of being a well maintained example.
Maintenance Items:
Cooling:
- Pinned Pipes with JB Weld
- New Radiators = CSF Racing Aluminum Radiors for Left/Right & Center
- New Coolant Hoses = All of Them
- New Water Pump with Brass Impeller
- New Low Temp Thermostat
- New Coolant Level Sensor
- New Coolant Temperature Sensor
- Coolant Flush with Distilled Water + Water Wetter
- New Front Main Seal
- New Rear Main Seal
- New Axle Seals
- New Oil Expansion Tank Seals
- New Oil Heat Exchanger Seals
- New Transmission Seals
- New Crankshaft Sensor
- New Camshaft Sensor
- New Oil Pressure Switch
- Oil Change
- New Solid Subframe Bushings
- New Upgraded Thrust Arms
- New Wheel Hubs x4
- New SS Brake Lines x4
- New Speed Sensors x4
- New Metric Head Brake Pad Pins x2
- New Speed Bleeders x8
- Brake/Clutch Flush
- New Slave Cylinder
- New 2nd Gear Detent (Gbox)
- New Numeric Cup Shifter Cables
- Transmission Flush
Cooling:
- CSF Racing Aluminum Radiators for Left, Right, & Center
- Upgraded Water Pump with Brass Impeller
- 180 degree Thermostat
- Rennline Radiator Grills
- IPD Competition Plenum
- 82mm Throttle Body
- BMC Pop-In Air Filter
- Manthey Racing Complete Exhaust System (Headers/X-Pipe with 100-Cell Cats/Mufflers)
- RSS Solid Motor Mounts
- OEM Euro 996 GT3RS Lightweight Flywheel
- OEM 996 GT3RS Sprung Clutch
- OEM 996 GT3RS Pressure Plate
- OEM 996 GT3RS Pulley <--- This was insanely hard to find. There is a US, nationwide shortage.
- Numeric Cup Shifter Cables
- Numeric Ball-Bearing Shifter
- Cantrell Street/Track Motor Mounts
- KW V3 Coilovers
- Tarett Engineering Top Mounts/Camber Plates (F/R)
- Tarett Engineering Cup Control Arms
- Tarett Engineering Sway Bar End links
- GMG Racing F/R Sway Bars
- GMG Racing Front Bump Steer Kit/Tie-Rods
- GMG Racing Rear Toe Kit
- GMG Racing Rear Dogbones
- Upgraded Thrust Arms F/R with Poly Inserts
- Solid Subframe Bushings
- Alignment - Kussumaul Settings
- Wrightwood Racing Cup Front Rotors (2-piece Floating)
- Street Pads - Stock Pagids
- Track Pads - Pagid RS29s
- Street Ducts - GT3 Brake Air Ducts
- Track Ducts - GT2 Brake Air Ducts
- MRG Titanium Wheel Studs
- 991 RSR Wheel with Rennline Quick Release
- Rennline Quick Release Fire Extinguisher
- GMG Half Cage
- GMG Seat Mounts
- Recaro Profi SPAs
- Schroth GT3 Harnesses
- Custom Wood Shift **** (Carrera GT Style)
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GT3 vs C4S Comparisons:
If you check my C4S Build - which was an insanely over-the-top undertaking and I probably would have been better of buying a GT3 to start with as opposed to essentially building one in wide-body form - the differences are surprisingly not that stark.
Subjective Comparisons:
I have 22 track days of data from the C4S. When I get the GT3 back up north to PNW at the end of the season and run the same tracks again I'll put together some side by sides from Pacific Raceways, The Ridge, and possibly ORP.
I really wanted to get out before moving but couldn't find the time.
As luck would have it, the new owner of my C4S is in CA and we may get a chance to run side by side at Laguna or Sonoma this season which would be awesome to see if this was all non-sense or totally worth it.
If you check my C4S Build - which was an insanely over-the-top undertaking and I probably would have been better of buying a GT3 to start with as opposed to essentially building one in wide-body form - the differences are surprisingly not that stark.
Subjective Comparisons:
- Engines: The GT3 has noticeably more torque and pulls much harder. Even with the complete list of upgrades on my C4S (everything), the GT3 in stock form was and is a faster car. Now with the work done its off the charts.
- Shifting: Both cars got Numeric Ball-Bearing Shifters and Cup Cables. The gearing in the GT3 is actually longer but they shift identically and were meant to. I love Numerics stuff.
- Handling: As my C4S was converted to RWD with complete suspension upgrades, they handle about the same. Turn-in on the GT3 is an improvement due to the correct front wheel carriers, the wheel feels "lighter" at slow speeds.
- Braking: My C4S had the exact same GT3 brakes with upgraded pistons/seals. Both cars now stop exceptionally well.
- Track: See below
I have 22 track days of data from the C4S. When I get the GT3 back up north to PNW at the end of the season and run the same tracks again I'll put together some side by sides from Pacific Raceways, The Ridge, and possibly ORP.
I really wanted to get out before moving but couldn't find the time.
As luck would have it, the new owner of my C4S is in CA and we may get a chance to run side by side at Laguna or Sonoma this season which would be awesome to see if this was all non-sense or totally worth it.