Shop went to change IMS and said they could not remove?
08-04-2016, 03:04 PM
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Recap:
1) OP drops off car for IMSB replacement. Car runs fine, no symptoms of IMSB failure or impending doom
2) Shop pulls engine and proceeds to replace IMSB - Yes.
3) Shop screws it up, pulls one tensioner and not the other, and possibly also fails to lock the cams correctly - Probably.
4) Shop breaks inner shaft because they don't know what they are doing. IMS and IMSB are cranked to one side and the assembly (flange and bearing) will not come out - Yes.
5) Shop reports to OP his engine is toast and needs to be replaced.
6) OP reaches out to Rennlist and everybody tells him to run...fast.
7) OP tells shop to put engine back in car and has it flat-bedded to his garage.
8) OP does not know now what state the IMS, flange and IMSB is in. Don't even know if they bolted it back in (highly unlikely).
9) OP needs an expert evaluation and needs to get his car/engine to a professional, or just sell it as a roller.
Did I miss anything? At no point in time after dropping off the car did the engine run according to the OP. So what if...what if...the shop only screwed up the IMSB replacement and the engine is not totally destroyed? Again, only an expert professional evaluation is going to solve this mystery.
1) OP drops off car for IMSB replacement. Car runs fine, no symptoms of IMSB failure or impending doom
2) Shop pulls engine and proceeds to replace IMSB - Yes.
3) Shop screws it up, pulls one tensioner and not the other, and possibly also fails to lock the cams correctly - Probably.
4) Shop breaks inner shaft because they don't know what they are doing. IMS and IMSB are cranked to one side and the assembly (flange and bearing) will not come out - Yes.
5) Shop reports to OP his engine is toast and needs to be replaced.
6) OP reaches out to Rennlist and everybody tells him to run...fast.
7) OP tells shop to put engine back in car and has it flat-bedded to his garage.
8) OP does not know now what state the IMS, flange and IMSB is in. Don't even know if they bolted it back in (highly unlikely).
9) OP needs an expert evaluation and needs to get his car/engine to a professional, or just sell it as a roller.
Did I miss anything? At no point in time after dropping off the car did the engine run according to the OP. So what if...what if...the shop only screwed up the IMSB replacement and the engine is not totally destroyed? Again, only an expert professional evaluation is going to solve this mystery.
08-04-2016, 03:05 PM
#77
Sounds like it was running fine right up until the shop started working on it. Did the mileage on the odo match what you had when dropped off? Did they start work the same day you dropped it off? Shops have been known to take nice cars and hot lap them before working to do a 'test drive' on intake. This whole things sound pretty suspicious to me.
Heh. I was about to suggest you get the number off the motor and then call PCNA to see if they confirm it belongs to your VIN. That they had the motor out bugs me and I tend toward the paranoid side.
Of course if it's not a match, you have to minder if the shop is pulling a fast one or if a PO swapped it previously.
Of course if it's not a match, you have to minder if the shop is pulling a fast one or if a PO swapped it previously.
08-04-2016, 03:09 PM
#78
Just to clarify, I believe Jake said only the races of the bearing were seized. Not to the ball bearings, but the surfaces between the races and the shaft/flange. It makes it non serviceable, but OP may have gotten well more than 138k miles out of the car.
08-04-2016, 03:13 PM
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OP is definitely nicer than me. I would have be apoplectic if I showed up and found my motor out when there was no call for it to be so and they couldn't produce the debris laden oil.
I'd really love to see the results of a trusted competent mechanic looking into this motor to find out what it's real state is and if they can deduce what happened.
I'd really love to see the results of a trusted competent mechanic looking into this motor to find out what it's real state is and if they can deduce what happened.
There have only been three occasions where Mrs. Schnell has had to drag me away from situations where I was intent on killing someone. This would have been the fourth - and had they requested payment as shop did with OP, someone would have wound up with a rectum full of credit card machine.
OP, I really feel for you, and I hope you do decide to do some sleuthing rather than just flatbedding it into oblivion.
One benefit of regular DIY: I know I could identify my engine if necessary - there are things that I've done I would be able to recognize.
08-04-2016, 03:20 PM
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"I'd really love to see the results of a trusted competent mechanic looking into this motor to find out what it's real state is and if they can deduce what happened."
^And if it actually belongs to/with the car^
^And if it actually belongs to/with the car^
08-04-2016, 03:23 PM
#81
Yes, that's the way I understood it as well. The bearing was (is) still spinning. However, I would expect the ***** to be all chewed up and an oil filter like a fuzz ball full of metal flakes in that case. No one has ever mentioned the oil filter so far.
08-04-2016, 03:24 PM
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If someone in your family went to a doctor to get their blood pressure taken, pulse, listen to heart, and a blood test. Family member was fine going there, blood pressure and all things done at the office were fine, but then the blood test came in 2 days later and the doctor called and said you have cancer and 6 weeks to live. And let's say the doctor was someone new down the road that has never seen your family member before.
What would you do?
Here's a Clue.....GO SEE A SPECIALIST!!
Vertex Auto in Miami. Or any known shop that you are sure of that knows 996's.
Drop mic...exit stage left...
What would you do?
Here's a Clue.....GO SEE A SPECIALIST!!
Vertex Auto in Miami. Or any known shop that you are sure of that knows 996's.
Drop mic...exit stage left...
08-04-2016, 03:29 PM
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If someone in your family went to a doctor to get their blood pressure taken, pulse, listen to heart, and a blood test. Family member was fine going there, blood pressure and all things done at the office were fine, but then the blood test came in 2 days later and the doctor called and said you have cancer and 6 weeks to live. And let's say the doctor was someone new down the road that has never seen your family member before.
What would you do?
Here's a Clue.....GO SEE A SPECIALIST!!
Vertex Auto in Miami. Or any known shop that you are sure of that knows 996's.
Drop mic...exit stage left...
What would you do?
Here's a Clue.....GO SEE A SPECIALIST!!
Vertex Auto in Miami. Or any known shop that you are sure of that knows 996's.
Drop mic...exit stage left...
Clap....clap....clap....clap....clap
08-04-2016, 03:33 PM
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If someone in your family went to a doctor to get their blood pressure taken, pulse, listen to heart, and a blood test. Family member was fine going there, blood pressure and all things done at the office were fine, but then the blood test came in 2 days later and the doctor called and said you have cancer and 6 weeks to live.
After having your fourth kid, you go in to have your junk snipped. All is well when you fall asleep, but when you wake up, you see your twig and berries sitting on a table across the room. The doc explains that there was an unexpected complication - and then offers to sell you a $20,000 *****.
08-04-2016, 03:39 PM
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I love the reference to Occams razor! Well done. I'm hoping we can get Schrodinger's cat in somewhere.
Back in the 60s, Hertz teamed up with Ford/Shelby to offer a rental option of a Shelby prepared Mustang GT350. It was - hilarious. Rent a racer. What could go wrong?
Well, it seems that some folks smarter than the average rental counter goober would rent the car for 2 days, take it home, remove the HiPo Shelby engine, stuff a 260CuIn 165HP Falcon engine in there, button it up with the decals and valve covers then return it to the Hertz counter, no one the wiser.
08-04-2016, 03:41 PM
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08-04-2016, 03:42 PM
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OP really needs to verify first that the engine that he has in his car now is the same engine that was in the car when he brought it in. Personally I smell a bait and switch tactic going on with the engine.
He really needs to do this first as someone could be diagnosing the wrong engine, one that could've had a bad failure.
He really needs to do this first as someone could be diagnosing the wrong engine, one that could've had a bad failure.
08-04-2016, 03:45 PM
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08-04-2016, 04:00 PM
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Isn't the IMSB a good real world example? Just because you aren't finding metal doesn't mean all is well. The only way to know for sure is to look at it and in doing so you have now tampered with its state. Would it have gone 5 miles or 100,000 miles more if you hadn't messed with it?