Does anyone have information on the EPS roller bearing IMS Solution?
08-24-2017, 01:38 PM
#76
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It depends on the dealership. Some won't touch the IMS bearing, some will insist on changing out the entire bearing/shaft assembly, some will insist on a replacement engine, while others will use aftermarket products... in other words, there is no "standard practice" from one dealer to another. Good luck with your research. 😉
08-24-2017, 01:51 PM
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It depends on the dealership. Some won't touch the IMS bearing, some will insist on changing out the entire bearing/shaft assembly, some will insist on a replacement engine, while others will use aftermarket products... in other words, there is no "standard practice" from one dealer to another. Good luck with your research. 😉
08-24-2017, 01:51 PM
#78
Drifting
Maybe only tangentially related but one of the other posters asked about what Porsche puts in a replacement engine, and I am also curious.
When I was exploring engine M96 engine replacement options I called a nearby dealer and they told me that no complete engine was available for my VIN, but they could get me a long block (~$6000). Would a new long block have the latest (not externally serviceable) bearing design in it?
(I have the LN IMS Retrofit, FWIW, but like others am just happy we have options)
When I was exploring engine M96 engine replacement options I called a nearby dealer and they told me that no complete engine was available for my VIN, but they could get me a long block (~$6000). Would a new long block have the latest (not externally serviceable) bearing design in it?
(I have the LN IMS Retrofit, FWIW, but like others am just happy we have options)
08-24-2017, 02:35 PM
#79
I believe if you have a short block or long block from Porsche now, it will have the non-serviceable ims.
My 02 had a new short block from dealership installed in Aug 2016 and it has the non-serviceable IMS (the one they used in 2006-2008 997).
My 02 had a new short block from dealership installed in Aug 2016 and it has the non-serviceable IMS (the one they used in 2006-2008 997).
08-24-2017, 02:39 PM
#80
Rennlist Member
^^This is correct^^. I believe that while there have been reported failures of this IMS bearing, the #'s are very low...
08-24-2017, 03:02 PM
#81
Maybe my view is wrong, but anytime you deviate from the long tested Mezger design you enter into a world of relatively frequent rebuilds & high uncertainty over durability (ex. Cayenne, Panamera, m96, m97, 991 GT3s, etc).
08-24-2017, 03:14 PM
#83
Race Director
The sump plate is on the bottom of the oil pan. The IMS bearing is not there. Hence the IMS is not at the bottom of the oil pan.
Submerged in oil it may be, but that is not the bottom of the oil pan.
08-24-2017, 03:22 PM
#84
Drifting
Quad - you re correct.The IMS tube and bearing are in the crankcase halves.Albeit near the lower end.The sump plate is beneath that. But you know that because when you removed your sump plate many times(like me) you saw no IMS :-)
A picture(s) is worth... And at least one photo is from LN to prove your point.
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...rsche-M96.aspx
A picture(s) is worth... And at least one photo is from LN to prove your point.
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...rsche-M96.aspx
08-24-2017, 03:30 PM
#85
Race Car
Frankly, the fact that ANY vendor selling one of these products comes in this thread to bash another vendor and spout off about their "superior" product makes me ill. I don't care if your name is Jake Ruby or whatever.
Unless you can do a randomized double blind clinically controlled trial to compare products, no manufacturer can claim to be superior. All this evidence is anecdotal.
08-24-2017, 03:49 PM
#86
Drifting
Anecdotal ? agreed, so we just choose the best anecdotal info available to us. What better alternative selection criteria do we have ? Pragmatism is useful here?
We all understand the basis of the LN claims.They have been explained many,many times here.
The Patent process - It is not a product garuantee.But it may indicate a degree of diligence and skin-in-the-game that is absent from a merely generic offering that falsely claims a Patent.
We need alternative products for the M96. But not ones promoted with false claims and silly pseudo-engineering commentary.The EPS product may be fine and if so - the cheaper EBay alternative is just as good - for way less !
We all understand the basis of the LN claims.They have been explained many,many times here.
The Patent process - It is not a product garuantee.But it may indicate a degree of diligence and skin-in-the-game that is absent from a merely generic offering that falsely claims a Patent.
We need alternative products for the M96. But not ones promoted with false claims and silly pseudo-engineering commentary.The EPS product may be fine and if so - the cheaper EBay alternative is just as good - for way less !
08-24-2017, 04:01 PM
#87
08-24-2017, 04:06 PM
#89
Former Vendor
I was off base with my last two posts in this thread.
In my defense, the reason why I made those posts was because in other scenarios where the same questions were asked, the US Patent filing numbers were never provided. The components that I have on my desk right now also do not have any mention of these Patents on their boxes, or on the parts themselves.
I also now understand why these never showed up in formal Patent searches, as the claims are broad spectrum, and not specifically novel to that of this particular application.
At any rate, no matter what the reason, I was off base, and I remain corrected.
In my defense, the reason why I made those posts was because in other scenarios where the same questions were asked, the US Patent filing numbers were never provided. The components that I have on my desk right now also do not have any mention of these Patents on their boxes, or on the parts themselves.
I also now understand why these never showed up in formal Patent searches, as the claims are broad spectrum, and not specifically novel to that of this particular application.
At any rate, no matter what the reason, I was off base, and I remain corrected.
08-24-2017, 04:09 PM
#90
Maybe we should start a thread titled...
"who has a EPS Eternal IMSB installed in there 996"
The purpose of this thread would be to start collecting info. so we can track real world info. which is what many in this thread seem to think is suspect. Can't evaluate the data if our don't have the data. EPS claims over 5000 sold so maybe we can get a good number of people to provide data.
Can ask questions such as:
...of course the standard stuff, year, C2/C4, etc.
...mileage when installed
...professionally installed or self installed
...if professionally, where
...oil used (careful with this one)
... etc., etc.
I have the EPS Eternal install and would be happy to start the thread. Some help letting me know what info to ask for would be appreciated.
Good idea or not? Let me know.
"who has a EPS Eternal IMSB installed in there 996"
The purpose of this thread would be to start collecting info. so we can track real world info. which is what many in this thread seem to think is suspect. Can't evaluate the data if our don't have the data. EPS claims over 5000 sold so maybe we can get a good number of people to provide data.
Can ask questions such as:
...of course the standard stuff, year, C2/C4, etc.
...mileage when installed
...professionally installed or self installed
...if professionally, where
...oil used (careful with this one)
... etc., etc.
I have the EPS Eternal install and would be happy to start the thread. Some help letting me know what info to ask for would be appreciated.
Good idea or not? Let me know.