I am rethinking my "Master Plan"
05-14-2013, 09:00 AM
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I think you would get a lot more enjoyment out of learning to drive your current car
start going to the track
2-3 years down the road your whole perspective will change
start going to the track
2-3 years down the road your whole perspective will change
05-14-2013, 09:31 AM
#17
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I have the monetary means to move up now but WHY? Why get rid or a perfect car. More perfect now than when I bought it 2 years ago and still 12 months of extended warranty on it. The warranty paid for itself within the first 6 months. If I did move up I would like to buy in the high price bracket range of about 60 grand onwards. That way I know that the person who owned the car before me didn't mod it or work on it himself. All work that he had done, he was able to pay for it at the Porsche Dealers. Not so within the 20/40$ range owners. In other words, less chance of me buying a tampered with car. I would prefer to buy a car the same as it was when it left the Porsche Factory in Stuttgart.
As for the owner working on it himself, I've never seen a shop take as much care in working on a vehicle as the owner, especially with the **** porsche owners.
in other words, I completely disagree with your post, just like I do with all your posts.
05-14-2013, 10:11 AM
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I don't send my car to the dealers NOT because I cannot afford their rates. I simply lost faith after having them mis-diagnose a couple of problems I had. I feel they are only able to fix issues that their fancy PIWIS is able to tell them. Even then, they can come up with some ridiculous recommendations. I am fortunate enough to be a competent mechanic although it isn't my livelihood. I trust my own work more than any mechanic that I do not get to keep an eye on.
Back to the OP, I bought my 06 C2S about 3 months before you got yours and I am currently looking at a beautiful 996TT. However, I'm still liking my car so much that its hard to make that change. I am contemplating 2 x 911 ownership like many of you.
Back to the OP, I bought my 06 C2S about 3 months before you got yours and I am currently looking at a beautiful 996TT. However, I'm still liking my car so much that its hard to make that change. I am contemplating 2 x 911 ownership like many of you.
05-14-2013, 11:07 AM
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Some of the factors to consider include:
- is your car genuinely becoming unreliable, or is this something you're imagining or fearing that might happen?
- when you consider the real costs of fixing/maintaining your car, how would they compare with the costs of a new car? (Loss of value in selling this one, higher insurance, depreciation which is often about $10k per year.....are you really spending $8-$10k per year in maintenance?)
- in getting another car, are you paying money to get something that does the same as what you have now?.....or are you making a change that achieves some genuine additional capability? (seats more, gets you through worse weather that you've been experiencing -- not just gets to 60 in .2 seconds faster).
Could be that you're just bored and want a newer car. That's ok....just be realistic about why. Will help you make a better decision and time it better.
- is your car genuinely becoming unreliable, or is this something you're imagining or fearing that might happen?
- when you consider the real costs of fixing/maintaining your car, how would they compare with the costs of a new car? (Loss of value in selling this one, higher insurance, depreciation which is often about $10k per year.....are you really spending $8-$10k per year in maintenance?)
- in getting another car, are you paying money to get something that does the same as what you have now?.....or are you making a change that achieves some genuine additional capability? (seats more, gets you through worse weather that you've been experiencing -- not just gets to 60 in .2 seconds faster).
Could be that you're just bored and want a newer car. That's ok....just be realistic about why. Will help you make a better decision and time it better.
05-14-2013, 11:20 AM
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All good points. Well, almost all 
I am very happy with my current car, and pretty much have it exactly the way I want it. It's like buying a house. You move in, fix it up, spend weekends getting the yard just right, then Bam, the wife wants to move again. Back to Step 1.
Although a 997 TT shouldn't need much I suspect.
My plan is to actively look for my next car now and just like with my current car, I will know when I have found it. It took over 6 months and dozens of test drives.
Kinda sounds like fun!
I am very happy with my current car, and pretty much have it exactly the way I want it. It's like buying a house. You move in, fix it up, spend weekends getting the yard just right, then Bam, the wife wants to move again. Back to Step 1.
Although a 997 TT shouldn't need much I suspect.
My plan is to actively look for my next car now and just like with my current car, I will know when I have found it. It took over 6 months and dozens of test drives.
Kinda sounds like fun!
05-16-2013, 12:27 AM
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If you so prefer cars the way they left the factory, why did you put a bunch of crap on your rear decklid? Even porsche knew that would look like total crap.
As for the owner working on it himself, I've never seen a shop take as much care in working on a vehicle as the owner, especially with the **** porsche owners.
in other words, I completely disagree with your post, just like I do with all your posts.
As for the owner working on it himself, I've never seen a shop take as much care in working on a vehicle as the owner, especially with the **** porsche owners.
in other words, I completely disagree with your post, just like I do with all your posts.
YOU know that you are a master mechanic more capable than even the highest end dealership, but thats a big leap of faith for the average buyer when compared against a stack of dealership receipts.
Its a strange conflict IMO. When people ask for buying advice almost everyone says "make sure there are >thousands< of receipts for every last thing done to the car since original purchase"
But then to owners the advice is that everyone should become a master mechanic and do major engine service in their garage.
When a buyer comes around, there will be parts receipts, but it's a fairly large leap of faith to accept that this unknown private individual did everything thoroughly and correctly.
Im absolutely in awe of folks who can do serious work DIY, and would myself if I could for certain things, but at the very least I'd hope that anyone reasonable could see that it is not a cut and dry situation when it comes to eventually reselling the car and representing it to a potential buyer.
05-16-2013, 09:53 AM
#24
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Thats true, but honestly as a buyer how are you supposed to know that? I know it is popular on the older Porsche forums to bash dealers (and even Independents) and promote the idea of DIY, but I can see how buyers might reasonably be scared off.
YOU know that you are a master mechanic more capable than even the highest end dealership, but thats a big leap of faith for the average buyer when compared against a stack of dealership receipts.
Its a strange conflict IMO. When people ask for buying advice almost everyone says "make sure there are >thousands< of receipts for every last thing done to the car since original purchase"
But then to owners the advice is that everyone should become a master mechanic and do major engine service in their garage.
When a buyer comes around, there will be parts receipts, but it's a fairly large leap of faith to accept that this unknown private individual did everything thoroughly and correctly.
Im absolutely in awe of folks who can do serious work DIY, and would myself if I could for certain things, but at the very least I'd hope that anyone reasonable could see that it is not a cut and dry situation when it comes to eventually reselling the car and representing it to a potential buyer.
YOU know that you are a master mechanic more capable than even the highest end dealership, but thats a big leap of faith for the average buyer when compared against a stack of dealership receipts.
Its a strange conflict IMO. When people ask for buying advice almost everyone says "make sure there are >thousands< of receipts for every last thing done to the car since original purchase"
But then to owners the advice is that everyone should become a master mechanic and do major engine service in their garage.
When a buyer comes around, there will be parts receipts, but it's a fairly large leap of faith to accept that this unknown private individual did everything thoroughly and correctly.
Im absolutely in awe of folks who can do serious work DIY, and would myself if I could for certain things, but at the very least I'd hope that anyone reasonable could see that it is not a cut and dry situation when it comes to eventually reselling the car and representing it to a potential buyer.
Older 911s are tricky. Dealer mechanics are trained on new stuff. Not to say a guy whose been working on cayennes for the last decade can't do something on an aircooled car, but it will likely just be parts changing.
996s have a lot of similar systems to the new stuff, so its less of a worry there.
In my opinion, if after talking to a diy seller, who has parts receipts, and I get the sense that he knows what he's talking about, and the PPI comes out decent, I'm fairly comfortable buying the car.
05-16-2013, 01:54 PM
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Well, its all a matter of trust. Can you ensure that a DIY'er didn't screw stuff up? Not 100%, no. But, with a decent PPI, you should be able to find any hack work.
Older 911s are tricky. Dealer mechanics are trained on new stuff. Not to say a guy whose been working on cayennes for the last decade can't do something on an aircooled car, but it will likely just be parts changing.
996s have a lot of similar systems to the new stuff, so its less of a worry there.
In my opinion, if after talking to a diy seller, who has parts receipts, and I get the sense that he knows what he's talking about, and the PPI comes out decent, I'm fairly comfortable buying the car.
Older 911s are tricky. Dealer mechanics are trained on new stuff. Not to say a guy whose been working on cayennes for the last decade can't do something on an aircooled car, but it will likely just be parts changing.
996s have a lot of similar systems to the new stuff, so its less of a worry there.
In my opinion, if after talking to a diy seller, who has parts receipts, and I get the sense that he knows what he's talking about, and the PPI comes out decent, I'm fairly comfortable buying the car.