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Good plan for peace of mind, though your car may have the dual bearing original IMS which has proven to be quite durable. Which replacement bearing are you planning? IMS replacement or The Solution?
I think this was directed at me? Eventually I will do a replacement. "The solution" isn't practical for me as the nearest shop is around 375 miles from me. I plan to drive it for a bit and feel pretty good about it given it should have dual row IMSB (12/99 build date). Once it gets time for some maintenance will get new seats, bearing, and whatever else.
I had posted prior regarding my 2000 996 Carrera and the fact I had no issues but I was living/driving in Europe where the IMS does not seem to be as big a problem. Upon my return to the U.S. and now having to drive extremely slow (in comparison) I began to think of the IMS. Subsequently, at 108,000+ I decided to have it replaced. There was no indication of failure but I am still convinced the driving habits/conditions in the U.S. contributes to the failures.
OK, I've done some research and the shop I use (in Gardiner) is certified for "The Solution" so I suspect that is what they will recommend. Since I'm at 71000 miles and have the Tiptronic I'll ask them about other options and we'll see what they say.
2000 C4 Cabriolet. For peace of mind I had mine replaced last year at 100,000Km by Flat 06 in Cagnes sur Mer. The cost for the replacement with a ceramic bearing, new RMS and oil and filter change was 1800 euros and I had the car back the same evening. I cut the old bearing open. It was dry with just granulated lube/carbon remaining. Wear was appearing, probably no more than another 4 or 5,000Km and BANG! I really feel that I dodged a bullet there. Some posters here seem to be pinning their hopes on double row bearings... take a look at mine.
OK, I've done some research and the shop I use (in Gardiner) is certified for "The Solution" so I suspect that is what they will recommend. Since I'm at 71000 miles and have the Tiptronic I'll ask them about other options and we'll see what they say.
Originally Posted by dspcole
Also, I believe we are not supposed to be having a discussion on this thread, but I'm new, so what do I know?
Hey - I did a similar path to you. Bought a C2 with 71k miles and had a certified shop install the solution. It's understood that 71k miles is a little long in the tooth to pay for the IMSS but my plan is to drive this car a lot of miles out west & enjoy it until a rebuild is needed. Now at 81k miles and she purrs as a healthy m96 should
2000 C4 Cabriolet. For peace of mind I had mine replaced last year at 100,000Km by Flat 06 in Cagnes sur Mer. The cost for the replacement with a ceramic bearing, new RMS and oil and filter change was 1800 euros and I had the car back the same evening. I cut the old bearing open. It was dry with just granulated lube/carbon remaining. Wear was appearing, probably no more than another 4 or 5,000Km and BANG! I really feel that I dodged a bullet there. Some posters here seem to be pinning their hopes on double row bearings... take a look at mine.
Yes, that does indeed look like it was not going to last much longer...
2000 C4 Cabriolet. For peace of mind I had mine replaced last year at 100,000Km by Flat 06 in Cagnes sur Mer. The cost for the replacement with a ceramic bearing, new RMS and oil and filter change was 1800 euros and I had the car back the same evening. I cut the old bearing open. It was dry with just granulated lube/carbon remaining. Wear was appearing, probably no more than another 4 or 5,000Km and BANG! I really feel that I dodged a bullet there. Some posters here seem to be pinning their hopes on double row bearings... take a look at mine.
looks like I'll have to reconsider getting the bearing swapped
2000 C4 Cabriolet. For peace of mind I had mine replaced last year at 100,000Km by Flat 06 in Cagnes sur Mer. The cost for the replacement with a ceramic bearing, new RMS and oil and filter change was 1800 euros and I had the car back the same evening. I cut the old bearing open. It was dry with just granulated lube/carbon remaining. Wear was appearing, probably no more than another 4 or 5,000Km and BANG! I really feel that I dodged a bullet there. Some posters here seem to be pinning their hopes on double row bearings... take a look at mine.
Is it possible to take more detailed photos of the races and *****? I'm certainly seeing discoloration from the oil but I'm not seeing any spalling or anything.. but to be fair my monitor on my tablet sucks.
I am sorry, I threw the bearing out, this is the best photo of the race that I have. The black specs you can see in the original photo are remains of the lube, nothing resembling grease remained. The inside of the seals are covered in that muck. You can see a piece of the bearing cage is missing. Many of the ***** were slightly pitted as were the races. The bearing was completely dry with no sign of crankcase oil ingress. It would not have lasted much longer.
I am sorry, I threw the bearing out, this is the best photo of the race that I have. The black specs you can see in the original photo are remains of the lube, nothing resembling grease remained. The inside of the seals are covered in that muck. You can see a piece of the bearing cage is missing. Many of the ***** were slightly pitted as were the races. The bearing was completely dry with no sign of crankcase oil ingress. It would not have lasted much longer.
Classic photos of a dual row IMSB. If this one would have been a single row bearing, it would have completely failed. This bearing is at stage 3 failure, and the single row pretty much skips that stage and goes straight to stage 4, which is the end of the line.
I see corrosive wear in this one, for sure... It must have had some long oil service intervals sometime in it's life.
Looks like it was barely caught in time, BUT you still need to ensure that the oil system isn't debris laden. Employ a spin on filter, with filter mag, magnetic drain plug, and a few very short oil service intervals, backed up with used oil analysis to see how much iron remains in the engine.
This one would be a tough call for me if a Certified Installer was doing the work. I'd likely down the job, and DQ it, but I'd need to see the parts and an oil sample first before making that call.
I think this was directed at me? Eventually I will do a replacement. "The solution" isn't practical for me as the nearest shop is around 375 miles from me. I plan to drive it for a bit and feel pretty good about it given it should have dual row IMSB (12/99 build date). Once it gets time for some maintenance will get new seats, bearing, and whatever else.
car is in the shop for IMS. Around $2500 (tiptronic). Going to get the AOS done along with whatever else (coils, belts, etc) and new tires. Going to get a LN bearing. Even though the car has 378xx miles given it hasn't been driven much in 17 years I didn't want to risk engine failure and what would be a loss of the car (doesn't make sense to get a new engine or engine swap). Hopefully after this wallet hit she's good to go to be driven hard for a bit. Looking forward to getting her out in limerock park for some DE come spring/summer
01-08-2017, 07:10 PM
