nittanyguy1

Ivangene, one my "toy" cars was a range rover. After owning that bucket, I think I may be completely immune to sticker shock on repairs. They were needed on a monthly basis and all cost a small fortune. First vehicle I ever owned that I sold just to cut my losses. It was never 100%. Hell, it was never 75%.

ivangene

now you are over the line:




statistics wont tell you if your car will fail, and if your car fails and the statistics said it wouldnt, then what? - seriously, dont lok for an answer that way - just replace the thing and get back to the reason you bought it....to drive it - I am out (unsubscribed)

LVDell

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Marc Gelefsky

Ethan,

Welcome to rennlist, all I can add is that if you come onto a forum and bring up a beaten to death subject with thousands of posts already on it don't cop an attitude when you get some opinions.

Adrians book is great but many things have changed since it was written,
Fwiw, my ims seal leaked, replaced with LNE bearing and time will tell I guess.
I used to be in the camp that this was overblown but know too many people personally who have had failures.

Good luck, they are great cars.

Marc Gelefsky

10+.

LVDell

And still will nothing changing

wyovino

Nittanyguy1 - If you've read every English language post on the Internet, why do you think that starting one more will definitively answer your question? The net is full of wild speculation about this subject and it's up to you to decide whether updating the IMS is a worthwhile investment.

nittanyguy1

The only reason I copped an attitude is although I am new on this forum, I have belonged to other forums on other subjects for a number of years. People will come on and start a new thread on a very popular and controversial topic, and you inevitably get the holier than thou "do a search, idiot". That drives me insane. How about in the spirit of cooperation and fostering discussion, and possibly even teaching me a thing or two, you LINK to the thread that has my specific answer. I did search. Over the past week or two for hours on end. I did not find my specific answer. If someone knows the specific answer, or have the specific answer, please share it. LINK to it. You don't have to spend any energy making commentary or being involved in the discussion. Thanks, Ethan

Flat6 Innovations

Ethan,
I won't release the data that I have. It has been gathered for our purposes only and it would even create more drama that no one needs on this topic. Last year I was contacted by a really well known TV show that spotlights issues and I wasn't even willing to talk to them or release anything.. Because of that I believe they dropped the story. The interesting part is a member of their staff had his Boxster engine experience a catastrophic failure and it ended up at our facility.. 35K miles on the clock.

There are no stats. Stats can't be compiled. Who knows how many engines were built, how many were replaced under warranty or even exactly how many cars were built. Only Porsche knows that and they are about as willing to share their records as I am.

Stats mean very little. I applied the very first retrofit bearing to my own personal Boxster. The bearing that came out of that engine felt fine, but when I took it apart it already had flat spots on the rollers..

This is a matter of personal preference. If you believe in the retrofit then have the work done, if not you can wait on the "IMS ALERT" system or you can just drive along never thinking that it can happen to you and it might not.

nittanyguy1

Bill, So the solution to a question that does not have a definite answer is to simply stop asking it?

Anyways, this has, of course gone completely off the rails. Not being facetious or snide, I am sorry for starting this. I should have simply emailed Jake directly, sent a letter to Streather for his opinion, and sent a letter to porsche asking them for an explanation. Although, I may not get answers from any of them, I would at least have my no-responses directly from the horse's mouth.

ivangene

and yet you are surprised


DUDE, that is funny

nittanyguy1

Jake, No offense, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It would be conclusive evidence to the existence or non-existence of this problem. You don't need porsche's number to come up with statistics. Simply, what percentage of original bearings that you have received show damage per model year? I mean, it serves no one's common purpose to withhold this information if you have it. Of course they dropped the story!!!! If you won't give them evidence to prove or disprove, there is nothing to talk about. Only speculation and rumor remains. Releasing the info. would put an end to most of these arguments. There would be conclusive proof of an issue, and people would have numbers to prove it. "Out of the XXX original bearings we received from the 1999 model year, XXX had signs of failure or unacceptable wear IN OUR OPINION. " That simple. No need to quote porsche numbers of originals produced or remanufactured.

Bob Rouleau

Nitannyguy,

Your questions are perfectly legit, however the answers, such as they are, have been posted many times before. Jake has records - no doubt. Since nobody knows how many engines have failed (consider engines replaced by dealers on warranty, engines replaced with crate engines which were fairly inexpensive for a while), no valid statistics are available except from PAG. If you expect an answer from them, well, good luck.

I can say that if I had a car with and IMS, (I don't), I'd be in line for a bearing or at least the new early warning system. I consider it significant that PAG redesigned the engine for 2009 and later cars with no IMS bearing or shaft. The m64 engine saw service for 20 years (and still does in the GT cars) whereas the m96 mit IMS lasted only ten years. This suggests to me at least, that PAG decided that their design was not as good as they hoped. As always YMMV.

Best,

SWK6Cup

can we get an emoticon for a cigar, please?
This is in no way intended to be smartass. As a rookie-in here- (who, BTW, had the LNE IMS Retrofit Upgrade done last year on a low mileage engine), I continue to be fascinated by the discussions on this topic. The topic almost takes on the status of "religion", no actual proof, but some people are believers and their beliefs gives them comfort and I'm sure, much much more. I take nothing away from those who believe.
Ethan, while you search for answers, it seems to me (IMHO) that it will come down to whether you believe or not. If you don't.... fine, buy the car of your choice, drive it, live with it, whatever happens. If you are simply unsure, do the LNE upgrade, what is piece of mind worth? ($10K to $15K)??? No disrespect, meant, insinuated, implied, etc.
Oh, yeah, wlecome to the board. The gang in here will help you find the promised land, whichever fork in the road you might wish to take..happy motoring.

Shark Attack

bravo brovo jake