mikey55

Not Kansas. The gas is probably cheaper, but all our roads are straight, level and overly patrolled.

wwest

A) Camp 18 in OR to Longview WA over the mountains.
B) Goldendale WA down to the river via Mt Adams.
C) North cascades hwy, I5 to.. in the fall.

Divot

Two words, Van. Bear Mountain.

Seven Lakes Pkwy to Perkins Memorial Drive up the mountain. Yee-ha!

Stuttgart951

If I could find a job down there, I would move in a heartbeat.

Really is the best all-around state in the country, IMO.

fpena944

Bear Mountain, West Point, Berkshires in Massachusetts, Poconos in Pennsylvania, Route 611 along the Delaware River in Pennsylvania.

There are quite a few but you need to get at least an hour outside of the city to see it all.

911FM

Ratings for NJ:

- Open road quality and variety: Highways are getting better. Very limited variety. Pretty flat and boring.
- Track proximity: Good (NJMP, Summit, Monticello, Watkins Glen, Pocono, Lime Rock)
- Running cost (gas prices, insurance, taxes): Gas price is fair (+full service!!!!), High insurance and taxes.
- Weather conditions: Fair
- Quality of life overall (safety, political, food and drinks...): Actually pretty good!
- Comment: Also, good network of dealers and independents.

Overall, I don't think NJ would make it to the top 10. My personal best would be the Eifel region (home of the Nurburgring), followed by Bavaria.

FM

Thundertub

Tim,
I have totally got you covered on this. I am sending you a pm with all my contact info. When I make my next trip that way we will get together. Make more time than coffee, though. T-o-t-D is a good haul from Greenville and we will need a couple hours of driving to get there togther.
http://www.tailofthedragon.com/index.html

Hey! You're not...uh...hanging out at that BMW factory, are you?

mikey55

I've driven those roads wwest and I will be back in the northwest to visit my brother and sister in a few weeks, driving the Porsche all the way for the second time this year. Love the car

cbzzoom

OR and WA have some gorgeous roads, but over-enforcement in OR and bad maintenance in WA make them pretty bad driver's states IMO.

Some of the good :

Maryhill and Rowena loops both make for great road photos :



And there's 821 :



And Hwy 23 & 25 behind Mt St. Helens are pretty epic.

Wellardmac

I could make it an excuse for a drive from Cary.

jacaba

There's a reason why the Monterey Peninsula hosts the ALMS, Concours d"Elegance and unveils it's newest Porsches, such as the Spyder, 918 and Panamera. You can't get a better ride out of your Porsche than tactically maneuvering Laguna Seca's "Corkscrew and Andretti Curve," the G16 through Carmel Valley(Piloti named a shoe after it) and the Big Sur coastline. You and your Porsche will experience the ultimate fusion between human and engineering skills. This is a benchmark place to be.

Edgy01

You have postulated a very complex question.

When you factor in all the variables, weigh them individually for impact/cost, etc. is it virtually impossible to not select the USA as a starting place.

While I very much enjoyed living in Germany for many years and driving a couple of different Porsches of mine over there the overriding issue that kills that deal are the operating costs there--fuel is prohibitively priced, as is insurance. Offset that by better drivers and better road conditions? Quite subjective.

If you can find an uncluttered area in the USA with excellent road conditions then you have a start. Are those two mutually exclusive?

To find less dense traffic you have to go north. When you go north you wind up with the possibility that the roads will be impacted by frost heaves and damage by studded snow tires.

"Porsche roads." That means twisties, without a school bus or grandpa slowing you down (considerate drivers who pull over for the Porsches). Mountain roads are the most enjoyable, and with them come stunning vistas.

Cool enough weather (or warm enough) to enjoy the roads nearly year around without putting the top up.

Sh&t. I think where I am is pretty close! This road is within a mile and a half of my house:

Thundertub

I have had a brief chat with Tim and we are tentatively setting Sunday, October 10th, to meet in the morning in Hendersonville. Plan is to have breakfast, then do the Dragon. Then, if time permits, do Mount Mitchell and then Black mountain Rd to Lake Lure and Chimney Rock (US 64) and back to Hendersonville.
I will be driving up from Jacksonville, Florida on Saturday and staying at a hotel in Hendersonville for those two nights, then Monday on to Peoria, IL. Tim will drive up from Greenville and then ride with me to the Dragon.

A quick check of the Deals Gap home page and announced schedules shows that weekend free (so far) of major car clubs at the Dragon. If we want to wait two weeks (NOT!) we can join the LS1GTO folks and the TCCA (Tauras Car Club of America!!!!!!!!) SHO does make me giggle to think about those two clubs on the Dragon together.

The landslide has finally been cleared, so the traffic is back up. When I went in June, the landslide had strategically occured just after the end of the Dragon and prevented new traffic from coming in from Tennessee. So the only vehicles were the ones that entered from the south and came back. No campers, RV's or trucks. It was nice.

This will give me a chance to "road" test my brandspankingnew M030 RoW suspension and PZero's.

Come join us!

Wellardmac

Bugger! I'll be back in PA for my son's birthday. I would love to be there, but the birthday in addition to not getting home for the month prior to that trip (too much business travel) means I'll have to pass.

Schwabische Auto

Los Angeles, We have numerous canyons roads above Malibu and Mulholland Highway, fantastic driving roads. There's Tpoanga Canyon, Old Topanga Canyon, Stunt Road, Flores Canyon, etc, etc... Then on the other end of the Valley, Tujunga and Angeles Crest, etc.