LVDell

Paul you seemed to have missed my point. I never said full monoball suspension as it'sm ore than just that. You put that in your interpretation. I said all the rubber as well as the lack of alignment ability that the tire requires. Not my opinion. Just fact. Compromise is what 996 spec is and that's fine. It's setup for cost control.

I've run about everything there is on the market from stock to full moton and monoball setup and from PS2's to slicks and can speak from what works not opinion. Have you? (that was rhetorical, no response needed)

But whatever, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

redridge

$700.... holy!

Paul 996

Dell, happy to end the pissing match and talk via pm. But what are you getting at regarding lack of alignment ability?? I know you drink the 3G koolaid and that is likely what they told you. Was there a setting that you needed that were unable to achieve with a GT3?

Look, it is cool to upgrade your DE only car way beyond what is needed, we have all done that to some degree, but to preach to folks telling them your opinion is fact is just silly.

Regards,

-Paul

LVDell

Not wasting my time any further trying to educate you Paul.


....unsubscribing

911SLOW

Dell is 100% right in all his posts in this thread.
What he said is not his opinion but facts and may I say very well known facts already.

You probably misunderstood him.

John

mooty

SOLD!!!

now would someone pls buy my OEM rear deck wing.
it's too nice as my 2 YO's first surf board.
i'll go cheap.
you may need some DIY to get the air filter thing to line up and you may have to move the fan around. but hey, it's like $6000 from the parts counter.

Ahmet

Now that that set is sold, somebody buy mine. Same thing for sale, same price works...

himself

interesting. But I guess I missed the facts posts as well. Where are these facts that say that r6s shouldn't be run on a gt3? I would like to understand how they are improper as I have been running them for quite some time. And I didn't know Hoosier even published the spring rates for the r6. I'd like to see that as well.

-td

911SLOW

1. Tire manufacturers never publish spring rates.
Spring rates take into consideration the weight of the car so it’s impossible to cover all weights with one number.
2. I just pointed out the obvious that Dell said tires must/should match the cars suspension.
Fact: GT3 suspension and almost any suspension on road cars never "matches" grip offered by an almost slick tire like the R6.
Want proof? I will take a recent one. 997.2 GT3 RS that entered 24h ADAC race used slicks so suspension was changed to accommodate.

John

PS. Of course you can use whatever you like from fresh slicks to tires that hang on boats on the side. But that’s not optimal. Your suspension should be altered too.

himself

Sorry, this still doesn't make any sense to me. Why are the R6s NOT matched for a GT3? Is there some empirical data that says R6s and GT3 suspension bits are mismatched? Is something going to break on the car?

And saying a race team changed their suspension doesn't mean they did so for the tires alone. Everyone knows that a better suspension is, well, better.

If anyone has this info, or can point me to a thread, book, website, etc that has this info that would be great. I've looked and can't find anything on point [wrong keywords?].

-td

911SLOW

Nice try.

What race team its Porsche factory saying we will race the standard car and they did with minor changes BUT THEY MATCHED THE SPRINGS TO THE TYRES.

"Die Federraten müssen wegen der erhöhten Radstürze vielleicht noch etwas erhöht werden. "

http://www.sportauto-online.de/news/...n-1793219.html

John

If you want to dispute reality better start from somewhere else. I am with you dont worry.

himself

Oy vey. I'm still not following. That quote is about spring rates and camber for racing slicks. I get that they are matching that car to Michelin slicks. But on the GT3 I think I have enough camber [Hoosier recommended specs]. If that leaves springs, why aren't the stock GT3 spring rates compatible with R6s. When I run R6s, I get well into the right temp range [around 190 across the tire], so it seems like something is working right...

-td

911SLOW

There isn't right and wrong it’s not a life and death decision. The springs aren’t going to attack you in the face for putting R6. Nothing is going to break either.

It’s optimal and not optimal
GT3 springs rates are about 225F and 550R. That rate in a 1400kg car is not optimal for slicks. Ask anybody that knows suspension and is above 11 years old.


John

himself

Slicks!? I thought we were talking R-comps, and R6s in particular on a GT3 with stock suspension. I get that slicks are a different animal. The slick info really is apples to oranges.

I was asking specifically where there was any info, discussion, or support for the statement that a GT3 [in stock trim] and R6s don't match.
If this stuff is "very well known," it shouldn't be so hard to find it. But I'm just not finding any of this info on the interwebs at all. Maybe the 11 year old you mentioned can PM me and explain the GT3 and R6 issue.

-td

911SLOW

Hi himself I am **** Wei, I am 10 years old and an auto mechanic and a suspension tyre specialist. John asked me to verify that R6s arent an optimal match with stock 996 gt3 suspension. So here it is they are not optimal. Bìngfēi zuì jiā

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