Pac996

Is there a special pain killer for porsche owners?

15psi

Interesting response from Jake a little over a year ago....


This was the original poster's opening statement...

"Just had this diagnosis on my well-maintained 2002 C4 cab. Shop recommends engine replacement. Out of warranty. Car has only 38,000 miles on it. Any idea whether Porsche will accommodate me in some way given the nature of the failure and the mileage of the car?"

Jake's response

"...Lots of IMS bearings fail at this mileage, if you make it past 45K its usually good for 65K, if you make it past 70K it'll usually never occur."


I replaced my IMS bearing at 100+k and it looked and felt like new. Maybe Jake's right.

Be most concerned about the garage queens.

chago996

I hope Jake is correct that above 70k usually good, for my own sake, since mine is at 115k. But from a statistical point of view, think about two scenarios for the ims bearing failure: one, being just flawed and its just a matter of time for the bearing to implode as compared to scenario two where the bearing will fail because of an issue related to engine load, oil viscosity, frequency of oil changes, how long u drive the car every day, tracked or not tracked, etc. Assuming that most 996 are not daily drivers, most are below 80k miles, only a select few beyond 100k. The amount of cars that jake has seen with ims failures are in the below 80k miles because that's just the majority of 996's out there, but as time goes by, that number may shift to higher mileage cars. In scenario two, the failure may be postponed for a while but its just a matter of time too, since a bearing will ultimately fail I imagine. I think we are %^^$ed anyways.

ivangene

"I hope" is IMO a bad way to address the issue/potetial issue/non-issue

as Jake said, "Real piece of mind comes from action. "

Dharn55

I have been thinking (too much) about the dealer quoting $27K and I just get more and more outraged at this. How can they give such a price. I know that I can drop and replace an engine (in my driveway on jack stands) in 8 hours or so. Dealers typically charge 12-15 hours or more. At the rate of $169/hr. charged by the dealer where I bought my car, which is one of the higher around 15 hrs. is only $2,535, so where is the other $24,465? For an engine, which we all know can be bought by the dealer for less than $10,000 (the for sale post on the 3.6 engine says $6,800).

This is an outrageous abuse, to put this price to an owner who has had the experience of having their engine go bad. What in the world are they thinking trying to make 100%+ profit on the misfortune of this owner.

Quite frankly Porsche Cars should take action on such a quote. Don't they care about their customers, and their not being ripped off by dealers. Porsche should realize the buyers/owners of Porsche's is what makes their business, and if this kind of abuse takes place ultimately it will be bad for the company.

I know I am venting, and probably just spitting into the wind, but this is just outrageous.

Tedster

Remember, to Porsche the dealer IS the customer. They pay Porsche for the cars and parts not us. We are the dealer's customer not Porsche's. Basically, Porsche is more worried about keeping dealers profitable than about keeping prices reasonable for us.

fbgh2o

I know there is another dealer in the area... Call them... or better call EUAutowerks... They will be able to get an engine swap done for a lot less (for a used engine)... Ask Rickker who is on this board. They did it for him.

d11w

I understand what you are saying. My concern has to do with do I really think that I should just go ahead and get it fixed for this (or near) price; or does it make more sense to just cut my losses and look at getting a 997????

I realize that I have other options also. My Texas dealer suggested that I try and use the Cdn one for now and if still "no", then go ahead and call PCNA directly and explain the entire situation for them. Maybe something could be done then. In any event I'll wait until I hear back from Cdn. dealer for now.

Dharn55

I ride a Harley. Harley dealers treat Harley owners like kings. I have been all over the country on trips, and to Europe on a trip. The level of service, support and attention is pretty much universal. The dealers recognize, and Harley Davidson recognizes that their success and profitability is based on the owners, not the dealers or the manufacturers. I believe that if Harley found dealers were ripping off customers like this there would be a lot of heat on the dealer.

Porsche could learn a lot about customer relations, etc. from Harley!!

ivangene

its true Doug.


but we love these cars and are brand loyal to some extent.
I too am shocked at this whole thread on many levels, and saddened

bkjwhipple

same here....

BruceP

The Greater Toronto Area is the 4th largest metropolitan area in North America, and it has just two Porsche dealers. That's part of the problem.

The other part is that Canadians pay world prices for Porsche, not those wonderful US prices. The only consolation is that resale values are higher here, too (which is why, of course, dealers are hostile to US cars).

chsu74

997s are not void of engine failures. The early cars still have the M96 engines in them. They upgraded the IMS in 06 cars but it is unclear exactly when.

Botsy67

It's true, one of my friend here in Dallas did a PPI on a '06 997 with only 25K miles (I think) and they indeed found a RMS oil leak. I was surprised on that one, thought that Porsche has "kinda" solved this seal issue after almost 10 years running...

soverystout

I would bet that the Cdn dealer comes back and says that they will install a new engine if the OP pays all the labor costs.

If Sunset was selling these motors (full factory reman units) for $8750 U.S. with no core charge! (tip motors were even cheaper).

This offer was available until Feb 28th 2010 or until sold out. i still have the email.

This motor only costs Porsche $5K at the most to reman and repackage.

Maybe the Cdn dealer is looking to become the hero by saying "It would have cost you $25K and now it won't cost you anything but labor!!!!"