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Old 09-22-2009, 10:12 AM
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Question Contant light throttle, revs rise in neutral: why?

I tried to do the experiment referenced in the planetporsche thread referenced here: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-shifting.html where I hold the throttle at ~1000 rpm and push in the clutch pedal to see if it dips.

Only problem is, the revs rise by themselves. I tried this a bunch of times to make sure I wasn't subconsciously pushing harder on the gas pedal. In fact, I even tried to ease pressure slightly to keep the revs down, but there is no doubt: with constant light pressure on the gas pedal the rpms rise slowly at first through 1500, 2000, 2500, got to 3000 even--all with very, very light constant pressure. It is absolutely impossible to maintain a constant off-idle rpm in neutral.

Any idea what's going on? Is it supposed to do that?
Old 09-22-2009, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RallyJon
It is absolutely impossible to maintain a constant off-idle rpm in neutral.
Mine did the same and it was a Tip.
Old 09-22-2009, 11:08 AM
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when I first got the car my Dad told me his "friend" had a Porsche and it started up, drove down the street and hit a light pole in the middle of the night..... all by itself ! ! ! ! !

I think your car wants to drive more... just dont park it without a chain around the wheels!!
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Ed, you're so crazy, you crack me up!!

It could have something to do with the clutch pedal switch that the ECU uses for part of a (misunderstood? At least not explained well yet) feature that the P-car uses to modulate the throttle and 'delay' response during clutch pedal transitions. Here's a recent link: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-shifting.html

My guess is that it's perfectly normal, but I'll try it soon with my 6sp car and see what happens.
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Assuming "this" occurs during coastdown to a lower speed the engine RPM rises to prevent an engine stall in case you suddenly "dump" the clutch.

Just guessing.
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No. Just sitting in the driveway in neutral.
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Originally Posted by RallyJon
No. Just sitting in the driveway in neutral.
I am surprised that Phil hasn't yet commented here. He is the "in the driveway" master.
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Originally Posted by gota911
I am surprised that Phil hasn't yet commented here. He is the "in the driveway" master.
But by starting a car that could be considered "Intent to drive"
So Phil probably avoided starting the engine.
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Originally Posted by Marc Gelefsky
But by starting a car that could be considered "Intent to drive"
So Phil probably avoided starting the engine.
Ahhh! Point well taken!
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Originally Posted by RallyJon
I tried to do the experiment referenced in the planetporsche thread referenced here: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-shifting.html where I hold the throttle at ~1000 rpm and push in the clutch pedal to see if it dips.

Only problem is, the revs rise by themselves. I tried this a bunch of times to make sure I wasn't subconsciously pushing harder on the gas pedal. In fact, I even tried to ease pressure slightly to keep the revs down, but there is no doubt: with constant light pressure on the gas pedal the rpms rise slowly at first through 1500, 2000, 2500, got to 3000 even--all with very, very light constant pressure. It is absolutely impossible to maintain a constant off-idle rpm in neutral.

Any idea what's going on? Is it supposed to do that?
Normal. Courtesy of e-Gas. Why? I have no idea, but I've noticed this behavior with my 02 Boxster. I can't recall ever being successful at holding RPMs steady with transmission (stick) in neutral.

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OK, thanks. I keep hoping that this car has something "fixable" rather than conceding that I'll just have to live with it.
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Originally Posted by RallyJon
OK, thanks. I keep hoping that this car has something "fixable" rather than conceding that I'll just have to live with it.
Actually I sort of take back what I said. On way to work this AM tried holding engine RPMs steady with car (Turbo) stopped and transmission (6-speed) in neutral.

It took some effort -- very little pedal pressure and I mean very litte pedal pressure -- but I was able to get a steady RPM out of engine.

And I mean very little pedal pressure. Just a tiny tiny bit of pedal will have the RPMs climbing. I had to "back off" some until it felt like I was barely depressing the pedal at all and RPMs steadied just under 2K. Not sure I would have the patience/desire to try to hit a specific RPM but I was just happy RPMs steadied at all.

I'll bet if I try really hard I'll be able to get a steady RPM from Boxster engine too.

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