Global Motorcars SOLD the U-Boat (submarine)
10-25-2013, 12:12 PM
#61
Drifting
Thread Starter
I MISS the E90!! That car had me feeling so dialed in. It satisfied me in a way no car has ever has. I want another!! You still hangin' on the 996 forum?
10-25-2013, 01:54 PM
#62
Not to stray off topic but e90 M3's are actually now somewhat affordable. I was surprised when one of my friends bought a used one recently and can be argued that it will be the last of the "true" BMW heritage in regards to the NA motor configuration. 
I'm ok with my S14.
I'm ok with my S14.
10-25-2013, 02:52 PM
#63
Nordschleife Master
I don't hang out here as much as I used to, but do check in once or twice a week to see what's new. To be honest, in terms of maintenance knowledge I've learned a lot of it by now, so don't need so much of that from here and a lot of the old timers have moved on, so there's less incentive to be here. You can only stomach the endless obsession with IMS, RMS, <insert rant of the day here>, etc before it gets tedious.
Not to stray off topic but e90 M3's are actually now somewhat affordable. I was surprised when one of my friends bought a used one recently and can be argued that it will be the last of the "true" BMW heritage in regards to the NA motor configuration.
I'm ok with my S14.
I'm ok with my S14.
10-25-2013, 02:59 PM
#64
Forward is progress although I wish they did it in a more raw fashion and less bloat. But regardless, that's what I have my e30 M3 for.
Edit: There's a healthy discussion going on here about the newer BMW's and how they may have strayed from their original nature: http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/let...6/@matepetrany
I don't expect the newer BMW people to understand that's never had an older bmw older than the e36/e39's.
10-25-2013, 03:56 PM
#66
Nordschleife Master
I do agree that it's sad that they are moving away from normally aspirated engines and an end of a very good era. I've never been a fan of turbo chargers.
I also agree that BMW (and to be honest most car manufacturers) need to put their cars on a diet. They're fat and bloated and it's not pretty. It's wasteful and saps performance. It was true of the E9X series for BMW and is true of the 991 series for Porsche. They need to start slashing weight because I find it unattractive to see flab on a supermodel. You are absolutely correct about the E30 to E36 period - now if only they could have added performance without adding flab, now that would have been a great car!
I also agree that BMW (and to be honest most car manufacturers) need to put their cars on a diet. They're fat and bloated and it's not pretty. It's wasteful and saps performance. It was true of the E9X series for BMW and is true of the 991 series for Porsche. They need to start slashing weight because I find it unattractive to see flab on a supermodel. You are absolutely correct about the E30 to E36 period - now if only they could have added performance without adding flab, now that would have been a great car!
10-25-2013, 04:02 PM
#67
Drifting
Thread Starter
It's like comparing a 993 to anything after. They just lost much of what ALL Porsches shared from 993 and ALL versions before. They shared so much and were very similar in every way. Once you added radiators to cool, radical technology and all the creature comforts it changed the bloodline forever.
In some ways newer is a million times better, but they changed radically, lost their roots and will NEVER look, feel or be the same... which in a similar way to the newer M's is inevitable...
In some ways newer is a million times better, but they changed radically, lost their roots and will NEVER look, feel or be the same... which in a similar way to the newer M's is inevitable...
10-25-2013, 04:30 PM
#68
In regards to the 2002turbo street car, no. 
In regards to the M12 based F1 car, yes.
You can't argue extracting close to 1400 hp from a 1.5L 4 banger in qualifying trim back in the 80's isn't a great feat of engineering.
Now if BMW could extract even close to half that on a street vehicle and give it a broader and more smoother power curve on a 4 banger and still able to get 40-50mpg, I'm there and case closed.
In regards to bloat though, I do believe BMW is leading the charge on getting serious in making their cars lighter by purchasing majority share in the SGL Carbon Fiber manufacturing company. It will benefit them greatly having tighter control in manufacturing/r&d process among other factors.
In regards to the M12 based F1 car, yes.
You can't argue extracting close to 1400 hp from a 1.5L 4 banger in qualifying trim back in the 80's isn't a great feat of engineering.
Now if BMW could extract even close to half that on a street vehicle and give it a broader and more smoother power curve on a 4 banger and still able to get 40-50mpg, I'm there and case closed.
In regards to bloat though, I do believe BMW is leading the charge on getting serious in making their cars lighter by purchasing majority share in the SGL Carbon Fiber manufacturing company. It will benefit them greatly having tighter control in manufacturing/r&d process among other factors.
10-25-2013, 04:33 PM
#69
10-25-2013, 04:47 PM
#70
Nordschleife Master
In regards to the 2002turbo street car, no.
In regards to the M12 based F1 car, yes.
You can't argue extracting close to 1400 hp from a 1.5L 4 banger in qualifying trim back in the 80's isn't a great feat of engineering.
Now if BMW could extract even close to half that on a street vehicle and give it a broader and more smoother power curve on a 4 banger and still able to get 40-50mpg, I'm there and case closed.
In regards to bloat though, I do believe BMW is leading the charge on getting serious in making their cars lighter by purchasing majority share in the SGL Carbon Fiber manufacturing company. It will benefit them greatly having tighter control in manufacturing/r&d process among other factors.
In regards to the M12 based F1 car, yes.
You can't argue extracting close to 1400 hp from a 1.5L 4 banger in qualifying trim back in the 80's isn't a great feat of engineering.
Now if BMW could extract even close to half that on a street vehicle and give it a broader and more smoother power curve on a 4 banger and still able to get 40-50mpg, I'm there and case closed.
In regards to bloat though, I do believe BMW is leading the charge on getting serious in making their cars lighter by purchasing majority share in the SGL Carbon Fiber manufacturing company. It will benefit them greatly having tighter control in manufacturing/r&d process among other factors.
10-25-2013, 06:31 PM
#72
10-26-2013, 05:00 PM
#73
Burning Brakes
LOL
I have always liked the finer tuned engines over just raw horsepower. The e30 m3 squeezed out almost 200hp from a 2.3L four banger IN 1988.....where most of the sports cars in its class in around that time had almost half the HP. Unless it was a big V8 twice the size of that engine.
I have always liked the finer tuned engines over just raw horsepower. The e30 m3 squeezed out almost 200hp from a 2.3L four banger IN 1988.....where most of the sports cars in its class in around that time had almost half the HP. Unless it was a big V8 twice the size of that engine.
10-26-2013, 07:19 PM
#74
Nordschleife Master
LOL
I have always liked the finer tuned engines over just raw horsepower. The e30 m3 squeezed out almost 200hp from a 2.3L four banger IN 1988.....where most of the sports cars in its class in around that time had almost half the HP. Unless it was a big V8 twice the size of that engine.
I have always liked the finer tuned engines over just raw horsepower. The e30 m3 squeezed out almost 200hp from a 2.3L four banger IN 1988.....where most of the sports cars in its class in around that time had almost half the HP. Unless it was a big V8 twice the size of that engine.
There is a place in the world for both. In reality the only thing that matters is getting from A to B as quickly as possible. The mechanism really doesn't matter.
