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01-16-2007, 11:44 AM
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We're so starved of decent gas here in the US, compared to the UK. (And California is worse than most with just 91 Octane)
In the UK, I could drive to a normal supermarket chain gas station (Tesco) and buy 99 octane, and even get 102 octane gas from BP for my Porsche!
Of course you pay for the privilege.
For each litre of gas, over 50% of the cost to the motorist is Govt. duty.
Actual costs per litre of 'Super' fuel in the UK are:
Ave 94.1p Min 86.9p Max 105.9p
So in the US that would be $7.82 a gallon!!!!!
Anyone up for paying $94 a tank to fuel your 911?
In the UK, I could drive to a normal supermarket chain gas station (Tesco) and buy 99 octane, and even get 102 octane gas from BP for my Porsche!
Of course you pay for the privilege.
For each litre of gas, over 50% of the cost to the motorist is Govt. duty.
Actual costs per litre of 'Super' fuel in the UK are:
Ave 94.1p Min 86.9p Max 105.9p
So in the US that would be $7.82 a gallon!!!!!
Anyone up for paying $94 a tank to fuel your 911?
01-16-2007, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cdodkin
In the UK, I could drive to a normal supermarket chain gas station (Tesco) and buy 99 octane, and even get 102 octane gas from BP for my Porsche!
01-16-2007, 12:04 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by cdodkin
We're so starved of decent gas here in the US, compared to the UK. (And California is worse than most with just 91 Octane)
In the UK, I could drive to a normal supermarket chain gas station (Tesco) and buy 99 octane, and even get 102 octane gas from BP for my Porsche!
Of course you pay for the privilege.
For each litre of gas, over 50% of the cost to the motorist is Govt. duty.
Actual costs per litre of 'Super' fuel in the UK are:
Ave 94.1p Min 86.9p Max 105.9p
So in the US that would be $7.82 a gallon!!!!!
Anyone up for paying $94 a tank to fuel your 911?
In the UK, I could drive to a normal supermarket chain gas station (Tesco) and buy 99 octane, and even get 102 octane gas from BP for my Porsche!
Of course you pay for the privilege.
For each litre of gas, over 50% of the cost to the motorist is Govt. duty.
Actual costs per litre of 'Super' fuel in the UK are:
Ave 94.1p Min 86.9p Max 105.9p
So in the US that would be $7.82 a gallon!!!!!
Anyone up for paying $94 a tank to fuel your 911?
01-16-2007, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
Octane rating in the UK is not the same as the US. Your 93 octane is not our 93 octane. As for pricing....that's the price you pay for a society moving closer and closer to socializm.
Different countries have some variation in what RON (Research Octane Number) is standard for gasoline, or petrol. In the UK, ordinary regular unleaded petrol is 91 RON (not commonly available), premium unleaded petrol is always 95 RON, and super unleaded is usually 97-98 RON. However both Shell and BP produce fuel at 102 RON for cars with hi-performance engines, and the supermarket chain Tesco began in 2006 to sell super unleaded petrol rated at 99 RON. In the US, octane ratings in fuels can vary between 86-87 AKI (91-92 RON) for regular, through 89-90 (94-95) for mid-grade (European Premium), up to 90-94 (RON 95-99) for premium unleaded or E10 (Super in Europe)
Well, firstly, learn to spell Socialism.
Secondly, go read-up about Socialism and educate yourself.
Thirdly, think before you post - your comment caused me to snort coffee out of my nose, I laughed so hard.
Comedy like that should carry a health warning - really, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
01-16-2007, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
Octane rating in the UK is not the same as the US. Your 93 octane is not our 93 octane. As for pricing....that's the price you pay for a society moving closer and closer to socializm.
You can find 93 anywhere but California.
01-16-2007, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cdodkin
Ok - here's the skinny on Octane rating - US gas is behind UK gas for octane rating as I said:
And as for your comment on the UK being 'a society moving closer and closer to socializm'
Well, firstly, learn to spell Socialism.
Secondly, go read-up about Socialism and educate yourself.
Thirdly, think before you post - your comment caused me to snort coffee out of my nose, I laughed so hard.
Comedy like that should carry a health warning - really, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
And as for your comment on the UK being 'a society moving closer and closer to socializm'
Well, firstly, learn to spell Socialism.
Secondly, go read-up about Socialism and educate yourself.
Thirdly, think before you post - your comment caused me to snort coffee out of my nose, I laughed so hard.
Comedy like that should carry a health warning - really, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
I did not state that the UK was a socialist country, but moving towards one with many of their policies. They have not moved as far as many other European countires, and I hope they never do. It is plain to see when you review (or worse yet, try to use) their 50 year old socialized medical industry.
Even in a country that has a capitalistic structure, all the above policies and similar one, are in fact, socialistic. The U.S. is attempting to move more and more socialistic in many areas also, which is unfortunate. The only thing slowing us down is that we are a Republic and not a Democracy.
Denial of a problem by people is what hastens the movement.
01-16-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
So, the UK does NOT have socialised Medicine? (notice deliberate misspelling) The UK does not take from the rich and give to the poor, like the United States? There not a tremendous amount of political pressure to have the IK move to the Euro? (which is the biggest nation to nation social program) Do they not hand out funds for higher education, etc, etc?
I did not state that the UK was a socialist country, but moving towards one with many of their policies. They have not moved as far as many other European countires, and I hope they never do. It is plain to see when you review (or worse yet, try to use) their 50 year old socialized medical industry.
Even in a country that has a capitalistic structure, all the above policies and similar one, are in fact, socialistic. The U.S. is attempting to move more and more socialistic in many areas also, which is unfortunate. The only thing slowing us down is that we are a Republic and not a Democracy.
Denial of a problem by people is what hastens the movement.
I did not state that the UK was a socialist country, but moving towards one with many of their policies. They have not moved as far as many other European countires, and I hope they never do. It is plain to see when you review (or worse yet, try to use) their 50 year old socialized medical industry.
Even in a country that has a capitalistic structure, all the above policies and similar one, are in fact, socialistic. The U.S. is attempting to move more and more socialistic in many areas also, which is unfortunate. The only thing slowing us down is that we are a Republic and not a Democracy.
Denial of a problem by people is what hastens the movement.
However, you need to do your research before you post:
The UK is well on the way to having the best healthcare system in the world, surpassing that of the US, says leading health strategist, Dr Donald Berwick of the US Institute of Healthcare Improvement.
Both the US and the UK are "strikingly similar" in the problems they face in improving their respective healthcare systems, writes Dr Berwick.
But if asked to bet on which country will succeed in resolving them, "my money will be on the UK," he declares.
"The biggest reason is simple," he writes. "The UK has people in charge of its health care - people with the clear duty and much of the authority to take on the challenge of changing the system as a whole."
"When it comes to health care as a nation, the US is leaderless," he says, describing the US healthcare system as "pluralistic, chaotic, leaderless."
The "key resource" for the NHS, he says, "has been the consistent focus of government, emanating from the Prime Minister personally, on raising the bar for NHS performance."
Both the US and the UK are "strikingly similar" in the problems they face in improving their respective healthcare systems, writes Dr Berwick.
But if asked to bet on which country will succeed in resolving them, "my money will be on the UK," he declares.
"The biggest reason is simple," he writes. "The UK has people in charge of its health care - people with the clear duty and much of the authority to take on the challenge of changing the system as a whole."
"When it comes to health care as a nation, the US is leaderless," he says, describing the US healthcare system as "pluralistic, chaotic, leaderless."
The "key resource" for the NHS, he says, "has been the consistent focus of government, emanating from the Prime Minister personally, on raising the bar for NHS performance."
It's not a Socialist model - it's an optimum model in a 21stC capitalist society.
As for the UK using the Euro - they do not use the Euro, and have resisted pressure to do so.
The UK is the only country in the European economic community to hold out.
As for higher education, the UK has student loans, the same as the US model.
We have taxation the same as the US, where higher earners pay more tax - hardly a Socialist state.
Of course the UK may appear to be Socialist compared to a Bush administration in the US - but any Socialist nation would scoff at the idea of the UK being Socialist, or even the concept that the UK is moving to a more Socialist style society.
01-16-2007, 01:46 PM
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Back to the Gas topic: What's the opinion on Chevron (with Techron)? I've been giving my car Chevron almost exclusively. I don't quite know why, but I had a vague idea that the Techron additive is good for high compression engines.
01-16-2007, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
Oh, I forgot to mention that the European octane rating of 98 is equal to about a 93 rating in the US.
Your UK Porsche driving brethren have access to higher octane gas on a daily basis, at a hefty price.
I'm simply trying to give the predominantly US forum membership some perspective on their gas and comparative prices.
01-16-2007, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cdodkin
Sorry to continue the OT posting.
However, you need to do your research before you post:
So our National Health Service (set up in 1948) is a hybrid model of 'free' basic healthcare, and private healthcare through insurance, as here in the US.
It's not a Socialist model - it's an optimum model in a 21stC capitalist society.
As for the UK using the Euro - they do not use the Euro, and have resisted pressure to do so.
The UK is the only country in the European economic community to hold out.
As for higher education, the UK has student loans, the same as the US model.
We have taxation the same as the US, where higher earners pay more tax - hardly a Socialist state.
Of course the UK may appear to be Socialist compared to a Bush administration in the US - but any Socialist nation would scoff at the idea of the UK being Socialist, or even the concept that the UK is moving to a more Socialist style society.
However, you need to do your research before you post:
So our National Health Service (set up in 1948) is a hybrid model of 'free' basic healthcare, and private healthcare through insurance, as here in the US.
It's not a Socialist model - it's an optimum model in a 21stC capitalist society.
As for the UK using the Euro - they do not use the Euro, and have resisted pressure to do so.
The UK is the only country in the European economic community to hold out.
As for higher education, the UK has student loans, the same as the US model.
We have taxation the same as the US, where higher earners pay more tax - hardly a Socialist state.
Of course the UK may appear to be Socialist compared to a Bush administration in the US - but any Socialist nation would scoff at the idea of the UK being Socialist, or even the concept that the UK is moving to a more Socialist style society.
The article below is a perfect example of the problems with a socialized medical system. The fact is: if you remove the potential and incentive for an individual to make money, you reduce the number of individuals who provide service. It's no wonder why the affluent Europeans carry private health care insurance.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6234523.stm
01-16-2007, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCab996
Any major brand - Mobil, Chevron, etc - 91 octane, which is the highest octane you can get at the CA pumps unless you find a specialty station.