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Old 08-23-2006, 01:57 PM
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Question Stock Foot Pedals not good for Heel and Toe

Guys, the new (to me) 996's stock pedals are not set up for easy heel and toe downshifting - at least for me anyway. On the other hand, the pedals in my '84 Carrera are set up to be super easy to heel and toe. I thrashed the old car yesterday afternoon up and down a great mountain road and it became really obvious how much easier it is to do that in the old car.

Have you guys noticed this yourselves or do I just have some wierd heel and toe technique that doesn't work in the 996? Also, do you guys have any recommendations for good aftermarket pedals?
Old 08-23-2006, 02:01 PM
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No problem with heel and toe for me with stock pedals but I am only size 10 shoe. Maybe that helps me?
Old 08-23-2006, 02:28 PM
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I had the same difficulty with the stock pedals. So I got these and problem solved, they work great for heel/toe for me.
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Old 08-23-2006, 02:29 PM
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Size 11 and the stock pedals are perfect for me.
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I guess everyone is different. For me, the 996 is the easiest car I've ever driven to heel / toe in.

Had to do the aftermarket pedal bit to the M3 in order to be more comfortable in that car.

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Thanks guys. My technique just doesn't seem to allow me to reach over to the gas pedal while braking. When I try I just miss the gas pedal altogether.

Jon, I like your pedals. What brand are those?
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I can only heel and toe well at the track. The pedal aren't adjustable in a 996 like the earlier models and the brake pedal is too high. At the track under hard braking I can heel and toe pretty easily, just not the rest of the time.
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These are the ones I have:
http://rennline.com/product.php/sid/...sche/prodid/77

Great quality & price and easy install.
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
Thanks guys. My technique just doesn't seem to allow me to reach over to the gas pedal while braking. When I try I just miss the gas pedal altogether.

Jon, I like your pedals. What brand are those?
What is the technique you are using?

A simple brake on the right half of the brake pedal so about half your foot is hanging off the right side of the brake pedal and rolling your foot outwards toward the gas pedal is the easiest method if you like to keep your foot vertical. If you prefer it at an angle (and harder in my opinion) is a "true" heel/toe where the heel is on the gas and the toe is on the brake (ironic since it really is a toe first then heel). The first method I described is more of a toe/toe.

Hope that makes sense.
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450: Keep practicing... I also had difficulties at first but getting better everyday. I'm a shoe size 11.5, agree that the brake pedal is a bit high, but the "toe/toe" approach as described by Dell seems to work best for me as well. And works like a charm on freeway off-ramps...
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Originally Posted by 02 Carrera
The pedal aren't adjustable in a 996 like the earlier models and the brake pedal is too high.
On the 986, the brake pedal IS adjustable in height. I cannot imagine that it would not be on the 996 since the front halves of these cars are nearly identical.
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I think the heel toe method works for guys with smaller shoes sizes.
The way it works for me is to what LVDell has explained.
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I use the "toe toe" method also size 9 no problem.
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It is difficult to sometimes 'heel/toe' (strange, since you're not really using your heel.....) on the street, since it is not safe to apply enough brake pressure to get the brake pedal on the same plane as the accelerator; you can do so on the track however.
Old 08-23-2006, 05:07 PM
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Stock pedals, size 12 no issues. You could lower the brake pedal a bit to line up better with the gas, if you're "practicing" on the street. Another thing to try is rotate and position your foot a little higher on the brake.


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