Of course that is with the "old" 2001 model. I think it comes down to the fact that despite the fact that the 02 Z06 equals or betters the 996 TT is all performance aspects, there is more than performance. To some the look and heritage (which both cars have) ofa car are equally important. That is why 996 TT owners purchase them over the Z06. If performance were everything, why would anyone ever buy a 290 hp NSX for 90k!!

 

Your depth of knowledge is showing there Carlos from Spain. " reached 173mph (slight downhill of course but ran out of road)coming back from work this thursday" Was that "slight" downhill less than 5%? Without any mod an S4 goes 171 on the flat. No downhill necessary. And if you were paying attention before you would know that a stock 928 S4 weighs 3550. Mine's a little less.

Lets but the bull**** aside NO TURBO, NO HOPE. Is there anything about that you don't understand? I'm batting 1000 against cars like yours. I like the fact that my 14 year old inexpensive V8 whips the hell out of cars like yours. That's why I bought it. 8 cyl= power, 6 cyl = less power. So get used to the lack of respect.

Since "the nurburgring" is the only "real" performance ruler, deal with the fact that that 928 beat the 930 turbo and ALLn/a Porsches manufactured at the same time. Of course they didn't have you behind the wheel. If I spent 1/3 of what you spent on my 928,, you couldn't read my license plate without a telescope. I'm trying to be nice but you're making it hard.

PS keep on going 173 on the way home from work and we won't have to deal with your foolish posts much longer.

 

Not to fuel to this already heated arguement, but is it just me or does it seem just a wee bit fishy that the 2002 996TT does the Qmile in one second SLOWER than the the 2001, at least according to the respective R&T & C&D tests?

 

Reading and collecting information is a good thing, but puting all your faith into one magazine article, especially when dealing with performance numbers is extremely silly. I respect everyone's opinions, but too me Maxeemum, it seems like you're trying to open up people's minds to an idea that you should know many people could care less about. If you're the type of person that likes to compare every .02 second difference, thats kewl and sometimes useful for some applications. But you set up this topic and start preaching like this is the begining of the end for Porsche and if we don't see things your way and stop believing in our own B.S. Porsche is going to,,,what? continue to manufacture what you consider inferior products right??? Ha! The performance gap between companies is indeed narrowing, true, but that's just how it is and how it is going to be, and more than anything, we should all be happy about it. The more competition, all the better for the consumer. This is definatly a golden age for cars in my opinion, and in the near future, I see even more and better things.

While we're on the subject, of "performance" vs "feel", let me just say that the most important factor for me when buying a sports car, is indeed "feel" with "performance" a close 2nd. Thats why im the proud owner of a '00 C4 cpe and not an M3, Audi S4, or Carrera 2. I put more value in driving these mentioned cars than reading about what some other guy's opinion was of them. The result...Im only extremely satisfied with my C4, and have absolutley NO regrets about purchasing one. I could go on 4ever about excellent qualities the car has,,like how the steering is just perfectly in proportion to its chassis balance and turn-in rate, to the way I can haul through the twisties at insane speeds in the dry or wet with extreme stability, and the way it puts it's traction down so well that my car can get the jump on much more powerful cars like the Z8 which have to deal with spinning rears before they can use all their HP effectively to pass me up. So anyway, I guess Im just more into having fun driving than worrying about some other faster car beating me in some straight-line drag.

 

Ho ho ho Carlos, you really make me chuckle - some of your ideas on life - really!!

Lets see, Carlos from Spain with his 996 better get used to a lack of respect compared to your 'Maximum Respect' 15 yr old 928 (with K&N Filter & Chip, not to mention Strosek Wheels ). I'm having trouble typing here, what with the tears streaming down my face from laughter . BTW how much extra BHP is that K & N filter worth - gotta be AT LEAST 1bhp - could even be 2 - all counts in those vital 10ths of a second you can shave off your journey to work though, eh Carlos??. And does your car weigh less because you have removed the floor mats and spare wheel out of the trunk...

Think you can beat a C4 around a track?? You did say earlier in your posts that I kept going on about straight line speed and how irrelevant that was - well the only chance you would stand against a 996C4 would be on a straight, so right back at you. I can just see you now thumbing through your well worn copy of C&D checking out stats for the 996.

Can I point you to this link to check the performance of your car??
http://www.ukcar.com/

0-60 in 5.8 Secs - AutoCar have it as 5.6 - and the 996C4 - 4.8secs - oops, looks like you just got your *** kicked. 30 - 70 - 4.9 secs for you - 4.4 for the 996 C4 - 2nd round and knockout punch to Carlos from Spain. Course I havn't factored in for your K&N air filter.....

Carlos, go get yourself
A) A life
B) A Corvette

Eric

 

Hey everyone, I have got a video of Carlos on his way to work - recorded just the other day
http://203.97.216.253/mkiv/download/junsupra.mpeg

 

You're right. That must be CFS, (the genius) attempting to break his previous best of 173 (bull****) on his daily comute.

I hate to keep pointing this stuff out but the 928 was (according to Porsche's numbers) the fastest n/a Porsche in the lineup for the entire production run. It was also Dr. Porsche's favorite. It's a shame that you two geniuses didn't get a chance to explain to him that he was full of crap.

I see, we can't trust C&D but we can trust some used car site in england? Was that timed with a Lucas stopwatch? You guys have convinced me. The 996 is the epitome of automobile production. By the way have either of you guys had to deal with that niggling ENGINE REPLACEMENT problem?


PS I only put the K&N on so 996 guys would have an excuse when they get their *** handed to them by a 15 yr old car.

 

But turbo's are fun Carlos .
Ever riden in/driven a 951? The feeling when the boost hits is awesome. Not to mention how fast you can make a 951 with only limited funds. Chips, Adjustable fuel pressure regulator and MBC = 16psi of boost and torque up the wazoo!! I'm talking 320lb/ft here. Followed up by about 295-300hp. That's using Steve R chips of course. The 951 does lack low RPM power though.

Anyway, we both drive Porsche's so why can't we all get along??!! The Corvette is for some, the 911TT is for others. All this debate is fairly useless because nobody is being swayed, at all. So how about we just let all these vette vs. 996TT threads die?? Just call it a Tie!

 

Carlos, let me point out to you that Ferry Porsche´s baby has always been the 911! The 928 was Dr.Fuhrmann´s idea because of him the 1978-1983 era was the darkest of the 911 (i.e. 911SC). The result was that Ferry gave him the kick in the *** and replaced him with Peter Schultz and the 911 was back

Don´t worry about me doing 173mph back from work, a lowered 4wd 996 with aerokit handles it with a beautiful poise. You should be the one worring about you doing 173mph, oh I forgot a 928 (incl. K&N filter) could only do that in freefall . Did you reach that 171mph yourself or did you read it in an C&D article, I wonder what the "lift effect" is on an superbly aerodinamic 928 is at 171mph?
3550lbs! you can´t be proud of that! I just raced today an M5 comming out of the highway poll (we saw each other and floored it) and passed him in 6th gear (didn´t look at the speed) on the exit of a curve. Thats what the extra weight does to you even if you have 400HP to push out of the curve: too slow on breaking, too slow on corner speed and too late in accel out of the curve. Now I don´t think that I could have done that if he was in an M3. For you the power, for me the handling. The same thing happened last year with a BMW 850CSI (360-380HP) and I was driving an E36-M3.

BTW I know the 996 could go faster in a slight downhill but I ran out of road! hate repeating myself.
Oh, and guess what, I too have a K&N filter on my 996, that equals things right?

THe 928 is not a bad car, just know your limitations, I know mine.

Carlos from Spain.

 

Thanks for the specs 996C4 vs. 928S4 Eric. I got some myself too (from 928 enthusiast sites):
-928S4 is 200lbs heavier
-top speed 4-10mph slower depending on the source (the 928 has a .34 drag coef.!!)
-1.7secs slower on 0-100Kmh!(not same as 0-60mph)
-slower 1/4mile, average of .3 secs

And it doesn´t take much brains or knowledge to figure out that the lighter, four wheel drive, current model 911 has considerable higher cornering speed and handling (not taking into account sport chasis and 18"wheels versions). So... you can´t be serious Carlos!! its slower on all imaginable counts. ITS NOT EVEN A CLOSE COMPARISON! You could argue about a ZO6 vs. 996TT but a 928 vs 996C4 is like a 996C4(with sport chasis, aerokit, 18"wheels and all) vs. a 996GT3... GET REAL!
Oh but wait, you have a K&N filter as you proudly disply in your signature. But then again I have one too so that evens things out

Don´t worry I won´t take you seriously in that the 15yr old 928 is faster than a 996C4, its just one of those things you say in the heat of the moment and you don´t really believe yourself.

I didn´t want to breack this to you (its like telling a 5 year-old that Santa Claus is not real) but...: The reason the 928 was the fastest in the Porsche line up when it was introduced is because the 911SC was de-tuned, yes de-tuned!, to 180HP (from the previous 911 with 200HP) so as to prevent a new 911 from having a greater top speed than the 928 which was supposed to be the succesor of the 911. But Ferry stepped in like I said and solved the problem by firing Dr. Fuhrmann.
The 928 is just the overweight plusher brother of the 911 of the time, lust like the M5 to the M3 or the Ferrari Mondial and F348tb. More powerful but heavier, and slower.

928 vs. 996: it was good for a laught though, I bet Eric is not the only one here still laughing

BTW I miss calculated the conversion from KM/h to mph (forgot to divide by 98). I reached 288km/h before hitting the brakes which is 176mph.

Carlos from Spain
996 C4 (w/ K&N filter)

 

Go Carlos From Spain! (This is a 996 board after all)

Maybe I should get a K&N Filter too for my C-4, then it might go as fast as the Turbo, or better yet, as fast as Carlos' 15 year old 928!!

 

Just one quick thing to add: The Ferrari Mondial t in fact had (I believe) the same engine as the 348tb, both 300HP, although the Mondial t weighed more and was considerably slower. In 1993 the 348 jumped to 312HP, I believe the Mondial stayed at 300 flat... Just some useless trivia to throw out, not to change the point, for it doesn't.

Porsche... regardless of the model, 911 or 928, there really is no substitute.

 

1.You guys have figured out the problem. Since the 996tt weighs more than my car, it must handle like pig on ice (according to you geniuses).

2.Here's another tidbit, in Porsche's own testing, the 928 was faster at "the nurburgring than a 930."

3.In Porsche's own testing, the 928 was faster than a n/n 993. I know you guys can come up with some rationalization for that.

4. It wasn't just one year that it was faster than the 911 as you refer to but every, read it again EVERY year it was in production. There's that annoying reality again.

5.It must be the lowering that boosted the top speed of your c4 to 13 mph higher than a c2 right?

6. CFS if you're driving a lowered 996 on the street I scoff at you. You may be able to go around a corner marginally faster than I. But when you are at the dentist getting broken teeth repaired after going over a speed bump. I'll be motoring hapily with my 928 induced smile intact.

7. CFS if you are road racing on the street, we'll be reading about you like the famed Rick from Portland, upside down and smoking.

8.The car was Dr. Porsche's favorite. It's a shame you geniuses didn't get a chance to enlighten him. You could have shored up the weak spots in his understanding of the automobile.

9. If I has your car CFS, I would be looking for some power too. Maybe you should try a K&N. But to beat my car it'll probably take a turbo!


10. The 928 held the record for top speed in a n/a stock production auto untill not too long ago. Just think if it had been designed well?

10. My car is 2 for 2 with 996's since you geniuses have already proved beyoond the shadow of a doubt that the 996 is unquestionably faster, what could it be? Since every 996 driver that posts here is the second coming of Nikki Lauda, that can't be it. It must have been a ripple in the fabric of time and space that occured at the exact moment I was whipping their asses. Whatever it is, I have complete faith that you guys will figure it out.

PS CFS Thanks for the comment on the other thread. I'm glad to know that we can disagree (stongly) and cut up here with no hard feelings.

 

Carlos: "4. It wasn't just one year that it was faster than the 911 as you refer to but every, read it again EVERY year it was in production. There's that annoying reality again."

Wrong again. The 911 3.3 Turbo (300HP-1385Kg) was not only faster than the 400lbs heavier 928 but it was the fastest accelerating production car IN THE WORLD at that time, until 1985 with the introduction of the Countach QV. Read the specs. I wonder why the 928 didn´t sell too well.


Carlos:"5. CFS if you're driving a lowered 996 on the street I scoff at you. You may be able to go around a corner marginally faster than I. But when you are at the dentist getting broken teeth repaired after going over a speed bump. I'll be motoring hapily with my 928 induced smile intact."

Only marginally faster? your optimism doesn´t seem to amaze me
And ride a 996 with the 030 supension before you talk about the ride, car engineering has advanced quite a bit in 15yrs.

Carlos:"6. CFS if you are road racing on the street, we'll be reading about you like the famed Rick from Portland, upside down and smoking."

I do appretiate your growing concern about my personal well-being

"7.The car was Dr. Porsche's favorite. It's a shame he didn't get a chance to be enlightened be this group of geniuses. You could have shored up the weak spots in his understanding of the automobile."

Ferry Porsche´s brainchild is the 911, he did all the enlightening for us

Read the test of R&T titled "The Best HANDLING Cars in America" (I think you can read it on the R&T site archives). MARIO ANDRETTI tested a Lotus Spirit V8, C5 Hardtop, F355 Spider, Viper GTS-R, NSX Zanardi Edition, and the winner... a 996C4!

What do you get when you put toghether the current platform of the most successful car in motor racing, four wheel drive (the C4 has greater grip and traction than the C2)and the most advanced electronic handling system available (PSM)? THE MOST CONTROLABLE GT ON THE PLANET and that translates into that I can push the C4 way further to the limit w/o wrapping it around a tree which equals FASTER on the street. You can floor it around a round-about and all you have to do is point the steering and it will follow your desire (especially fun on the wet) to the limits of physics: it will apply (according to the steering wheel angle sensor, yaw sensor, wheel speed sensor, cluth sensor, gear and break pedal sensors)the torque and break to the FOUR wheels and INDEPENDANTLY... no driver can do that.
Once you understand that MORE POWER DOESNT MEAN FASTER IN THE REAL WORLD, this would become obvious if you test drove a 1500lbs one-piece alum chasis Lotus Elise which can run circles around you and me with only 150HP.

Anyway, do you still think the 996C4 is "slow"?

Carlos from Spain

PS: "Deepl" I stand corrected, I though that the Mondial was more poweful, but its not. I´ll change the example: F360M faster than the F455 Manarello . And true, "Porsche... regardless of the model, 911 or 928, there really is no substitute."

 

What happened to Rick from Portland? Did I miss something? I hope he is allright.
What's with all this 928vs911 stuff, they are both great cars. I always thought the 928 looked really cool but I always loved the looks of the 911 as well.
As far as the Z06 goes, that is a very impressive performer. Just wish it wasn't a Chevy with a cheap interior and ****ty dealerships.