Never !!!

When I can't drive anymore due to old age I will have a wheelchair with an E-Fuel powered ICE engine !!!

 

And to add to this, they are not really profitable. Their business model is based on their ability to sell carbon credits since these are EV's. Which we as a collective are actually subsidizing.

I applaud the attempt, the Tesla math does not add up for me.

A car is not a status symbol for me nor is it just an appliance. It is something that I enjoy driving, tinkering and participating in an online and real community.

My formal education was a degree in environmental sciences. The hatred in that community, be it for ICE, hunters, fishing, meat eaters, demonstrates the lack of understanding of what the environmental issues are.

And, I own ICE vehicles, 2 stroke outboards, I fish, I hunt and I eat meat.

I also don't buy useless crap like fast fashion, I asses what I purchase based on a need, often not a want. I look at the lifecycle of what I'm purchasing. I wear shirts that maybe older but of great quality. I don't change cars often. When we purchase furniture, we will spend significant $$ to ensure it lasts. My brand new boats in 2003 are still the boats I use today. My ATV from 1994 is the ATV that I plan to keep for another 20 years.

Even though my employer will gladly get me the latest iPhone whenever I want, I keep my phones 3 to 4 years and my phone is recycled to my wife.

I don't buy coffee outside the home more than 4 or 5 times per year. I think paper cups are dumb. I love coffee. I want good coffee. I have good coffee machines. Our last coffee machine lasted 48000 cups of coffee - it was beyond being serviced. Parts were still harvested for other machines.

I see these supposedly "green" people, drinking their bubble tea or starbucks or conflict free coffee so they can be pat on the back for their efforts.

The number 1 environmental concern is not the car, or heating your home, or paper plates or plastic straws. It is the level of consumerism that has taken over the planet. My mom bought apples from the fruit market or a fall bushel for the winter. They came in a paper bag or in a reusable bushel basket. I buy my apples in a plastic container at big box stores because there is very little choice.

Rant off.

 

You misspelled weenies


The number 1 environmental concern is overpopulation.
Just ask the noted scientist who’s vaccinating the world.
Bill Gates

 

The question I have is what will the greenies say about efuel? Will they be for it or against it?

 

This is a sweeping generalization. Some of us have a caffeine intolerance.

 

The climate change charlatans are 100% invested in EVs.

 

I find it kinda funny that the Porsche efuel initiative has been successfully playing out for 3 years and the mainstream media hasn't discussed it. Unless you actively follow Porsche, F1 and endurance racing, you have probably never run accross the initiative, nor its far reaching implications and application.

Great video on the brand new Porsche 963 at Goodwood. The fun begins at 1:14 on the video, when the car launches in EV mode and then the ICE engine kicks in. Incredible. Bet it's using efuel.

 

There are a few things to consider...

1. The price of that fuel is going to be expensive.

2. The quantity Porsche expects to produce in one year of production (at full capacity) is equivalent to the number of gallons consumed in a single day in the US alone.

 

It would be interesting to know the true cost for eFuel manufacturing. That's the bottom line for consumers and energy companies. I'm sure there is a large amount of engineering to be worked out yet and the consumer will have to pay for that in the end.

 

Foot traffic produces a lot of huffing and puffing, which equals CO2. ;-)

 

I think the key thing to watch is how the oil companies respond and evolve with the 2026 efuel mandate in F1. If the oil partners of each team develop the capabilities to manufacture it, then we have more capacity for production and supply. Aramco is a key player to watch as well given their heavy involvement and sponsorship in F1.

At the end of the day, Oil companies will have to evolve into energy companies whether they like it or not. If they closely control production, they can keep oil prices elevated and justify the expense of alternative energy development. If oil prices collapse, alternative energy investment and returns will collapse.

 

ICE cars emit stuff out of the tailpipe. Electric cars do not emit stuff out of a tailpipe. The vast majority of politicians and people stop right there.

 

As someone who's been extremely excited and passionate about eFuel since I've 1st heard about it 2 years ago, I am praying we'll have the wisdom to give it it's fair chance at becoming a part of the potential energy solutions in the future. I love Toyota's CEO stance where they don't put all their proverbial eggs in one basket and focus on as many viable energy sources as possible.

Living in Quebec, Canada, where we have an abundance of renewable hydro energy, I would love to see our government throw their hat in the ring and potentially collaborate to start producing eFuel here. Given their track record and what they tend to focus on I won't hold my breath but will stay eternally hopeful. Not sure where to find that suggestion box

 

I look at this effort by Porsche as a piece of the puzzle for future fuel needs . What they are doing is proof of concept and to build a repeatable process . If and when they achieve that the " recipe " can be expanded or sold to anyone interested in making it large scale .

Just like making bio diesel out of algae , right now it is small scale but has potential . And so does hydrogen . And so does electric . They all can play a part in the future . There does not have to be one dominant fuel it can be several . But for the masses I believe current oil companies/refineries have to be involved because the infrastructure is already in place . And that takes big $$$ to build .

The distribution network doesn't care ( I may be wrong ) if they are supplying fuel built from oil/water/algae or cow poop ! They want their piece of the profits just like any business . If they see potential for $$$ then they are part of the solution . On the flip side if they don't then they won't . 😁

 

Ha! As if all true capitalists don’t? Classic misdirection there… You wouldn’t happen to be a “magician” would you? 😏